Hi everyone,
For my own reasons, I have decided to cease my involvement with PHP development. This isn’t a judgement of the PHP community nor the internals mailing list, you’re all wonderful people and it’s really been a pleasure, and I mean that completely honestly. However, this has ended up taking up too much of my time (which is my own fault, and my own fault alone) and I can’t really justify it to myself anymore.
So, I’m no longer contributing to PHP, and all four active RFCs authored by myself are therefore withdrawn: Scalar Type Hints, Spaceship/Combined Comparison Operator, Void Return Type, Big Integer Support.
The first two were in voting, so the votes have been cancelled.
If anyone would like to pick up from where I left off with any of these RFCs, they are very much welcome to - there is no need to consult me first (and it’s probably for the best if you don’t). The Spaceship/Combined Comparison Operator RFC was also authored by Davey Shafik, so ask him if you want to revive that one.
I’m sorry about this, but it can’t be helped. I’d rather move on to other things. I would stick around to finish everything up before I leave, but I just don’t have the time nor the motivation to finish everything. I apologise for that, especially for Scalar Type Hints as I realise this is something a lot of developers were looking forward to.
I’d leave quietly, but since this affects active RFCs, I need to announce it somewhere.
So, thank you, PHP community. It has been a wonderful 2 years.
Goodbye.
--
Andrea Faulds
http://ajf.me/
Hi everyone,
For my own reasons, I have decided to cease my involvement with PHP development. This isn’t a judgement of the PHP community nor the internals mailing list, you’re all wonderful people and it’s really been a pleasure, and I mean that completely honestly. However, this has ended up taking up too much of my time (which is my own fault, and my own fault alone) and I can’t really justify it to myself anymore.
So, I’m no longer contributing to PHP, and all four active RFCs authored by myself are therefore withdrawn: Scalar Type Hints, Spaceship/Combined Comparison Operator, Void Return Type, Big Integer Support.
The first two were in voting, so the votes have been cancelled.
If anyone would like to pick up from where I left off with any of these RFCs, they are very much welcome to - there is no need to consult me first (and it’s probably for the best if you don’t). The Spaceship/Combined Comparison Operator RFC was also authored by Davey Shafik, so ask him if you want to revive that one.
I’m sorry about this, but it can’t be helped. I’d rather move on to other things. I would stick around to finish everything up before I leave, but I just don’t have the time nor the motivation to finish everything. I apologise for that, especially for Scalar Type Hints as I realise this is something a lot of developers were looking forward to.
I’d leave quietly, but since this affects active RFCs, I need to announce it somewhere.
So, thank you, PHP community. It has been a wonderful 2 years.
Goodbye.
--
Andrea Faulds
http://ajf.me/
Thank you for being a responsible software developer. Not many
developers are this forward and honest about their intentions/plans.
--
Thomas Hruska
CubicleSoft President
I've got great, time saving software that you will find useful.
Hi everyone,
For my own reasons, I have decided to cease my involvement with PHP development. This isn’t a judgement of the PHP community nor the internals mailing list, you’re all wonderful people and it’s really been a pleasure, and I mean that completely honestly. However, this has ended up taking up too much of my time (which is my own fault, and my own fault alone) and I can’t really justify it to myself anymore.
So, I’m no longer contributing to PHP, and all four active RFCs authored by myself are therefore withdrawn: Scalar Type Hints, Spaceship/Combined Comparison Operator, Void Return Type, Big Integer Support.
The first two were in voting, so the votes have been cancelled.
If anyone would like to pick up from where I left off with any of these RFCs, they are very much welcome to - there is no need to consult me first (and it’s probably for the best if you don’t). The Spaceship/Combined Comparison Operator RFC was also authored by Davey Shafik, so ask him if you want to revive that one.
I’m sorry about this, but it can’t be helped. I’d rather move on to other things. I would stick around to finish everything up before I leave, but I just don’t have the time nor the motivation to finish everything. I apologise for that, especially for Scalar Type Hints as I realise this is something a lot of developers were looking forward to.
I’d leave quietly, but since this affects active RFCs, I need to announce it somewhere.
So, thank you, PHP community. It has been a wonderful 2 years.
Goodbye.
--
Andrea Faulds
http://ajf.me/--
I do not accept this.
You are one of the most active, motivated and appreciated contributors
of PHP over the last few years. Not to shit on anyone specifically,
but there are only 4 or 5 people doing 80% of the work of PHP
recently, and you are one of them.
Scalar Type Hints are a massive burden, and you're stuck in the middle
of everyone who has a strong opinion about either strict or weak and
getting screamed at by both camps at the same time as getting crap
from the people who dont want either.
I constantly see people giving you shit in here, on Reddit,
StackOverflow Chat and wherever else and it sickens me. They're
condescending, patronising or at the very least missing some P's and
Q's which are fairly important when giving feedback as harsh as they
often give.
The lack of respect between contributors here in general sickens me,
and I'm not known as somebody who is wildly polite at all times.
Scalar Type Hinting was the closest it's ever been. If the workload is
too much then stick to one RFC at a time, but to remove yourself from
the equation is a massive loss for PHP as a whole. I'm not trying to
place a burden on you, but your input will be sorely missed by a
massive number of people.
Please, don't let the assholes win. PHP needs you.
2015.02.15. 22:55 ezt írta ("Philip Sturgeon" pjsturgeon@gmail.com):
Hi everyone,
For my own reasons, I have decided to cease my involvement with PHP
development. This isn’t a judgement of the PHP community nor the internals
mailing list, you’re all wonderful people and it’s really been a pleasure,
and I mean that completely honestly. However, this has ended up taking up
too much of my time (which is my own fault, and my own fault alone) and I
can’t really justify it to myself anymore.So, I’m no longer contributing to PHP, and all four active RFCs
authored by myself are therefore withdrawn: Scalar Type Hints,
Spaceship/Combined Comparison Operator, Void Return Type, Big Integer
Support.The first two were in voting, so the votes have been cancelled.
If anyone would like to pick up from where I left off with any of these
RFCs, they are very much welcome to - there is no need to consult me first
(and it’s probably for the best if you don’t). The Spaceship/Combined
Comparison Operator RFC was also authored by Davey Shafik, so ask him if
you want to revive that one.I’m sorry about this, but it can’t be helped. I’d rather move on to
other things. I would stick around to finish everything up before I leave,
but I just don’t have the time nor the motivation to finish everything. I
apologise for that, especially for Scalar Type Hints as I realise this is
something a lot of developers were looking forward to.I’d leave quietly, but since this affects active RFCs, I need to
announce it somewhere.So, thank you, PHP community. It has been a wonderful 2 years.
Goodbye.
--
Andrea Faulds
http://ajf.me/--
I do not accept this.
You are one of the most active, motivated and appreciated contributors
of PHP over the last few years. Not to shit on anyone specifically,
but there are only 4 or 5 people doing 80% of the work of PHP
recently, and you are one of them.Scalar Type Hints are a massive burden, and you're stuck in the middle
of everyone who has a strong opinion about either strict or weak and
getting screamed at by both camps at the same time as getting crap
from the people who dont want either.I constantly see people giving you shit in here, on Reddit,
StackOverflow Chat and wherever else and it sickens me. They're
condescending, patronising or at the very least missing some P's and
Q's which are fairly important when giving feedback as harsh as they
often give.The lack of respect between contributors here in general sickens me,
and I'm not known as somebody who is wildly polite at all times.Scalar Type Hinting was the closest it's ever been. If the workload is
too much then stick to one RFC at a time, but to remove yourself from
the equation is a massive loss for PHP as a whole. I'm not trying to
place a burden on you, but your input will be sorely missed by a
massive number of people.Please, don't let the assholes win. PHP needs you.
--
Hi,
I don't think it is the proper time and place to discuss this, but I don't
think that your representation of reddit/so chat and internals is correct
or appropriate.
If you have somebody in mind then feel free to bring that up to them or to
the lists admins if you think they are breaking code of conduct(~"don't be
an asshole") but now you just play guilt by association.
I hope this thread can stay civil!
Hi everyone,
For my own reasons, I have decided to cease my involvement with PHP development. This isn’t a judgement of the PHP community nor the internals mailing list, you’re all wonderful people and it’s really been a pleasure, and I mean that completely honestly. However, this has ended up taking up too much of my time (which is my own fault, and my own fault alone) and I can’t really justify it to myself anymore.
So, I’m no longer contributing to PHP, and all four active RFCs authored by myself are therefore withdrawn: Scalar Type Hints, Spaceship/Combined Comparison Operator, Void Return Type, Big Integer Support.
The first two were in voting, so the votes have been cancelled.
If anyone would like to pick up from where I left off with any of these RFCs, they are very much welcome to - there is no need to consult me first (and it’s probably for the best if you don’t). The Spaceship/Combined Comparison Operator RFC was also authored by Davey Shafik, so ask him if you want to revive that one.
I’m sorry about this, but it can’t be helped. I’d rather move on to other things. I would stick around to finish everything up before I leave, but I just don’t have the time nor the motivation to finish everything. I apologise for that, especially for Scalar Type Hints as I realise this is something a lot of developers were looking forward to.
I’d leave quietly, but since this affects active RFCs, I need to announce it somewhere.
So, thank you, PHP community. It has been a wonderful 2 years.
I'm really really sorry to hear this. The energy you've put into the
project recently has been really appreciated by many people, and I
really admire your dedication to finding compromises to controversial
topics. I can see, though, that it takes a lot of time to be that
actively involved on a voluntary basis, and that a clean break might
feel necessary to shift your focus. I hope to see your name in future,
either in a less involved role in PHP, or in some other project.
On a purely procedural note, though, is there some way the Scalar Type
Hints RFC can be left in voting, as a vote in principle, while we wait
for someone to step up and take over the implementation? There are only
4 days left, and with over 100 votes cast, it seems a shame to say that
they were all meaningless, while leaving the door open to start all over
again. I think it will hurt people's faith in the process to cancel now,
and can't think of a particularly strong reason not to let the vote run
its course before deciding what to do next.
Regards,
--
Rowan Collins
[IMSoP]
Hey Rowan,
I'm really really sorry to hear this. The energy you've put into the project recently has been really appreciated by many people, and I really admire your dedication to finding compromises to controversial topics. I can see, though, that it takes a lot of time to be that actively involved on a voluntary basis, and that a clean break might feel necessary to shift your focus. I hope to see your name in future, either in a less involved role in PHP, or in some other project.
Thank you.
On a purely procedural note, though, is there some way the Scalar Type Hints RFC can be left in voting, as a vote in principle, while we wait for someone to step up and take over the implementation? There are only 4 days left, and with over 100 votes cast, it seems a shame to say that they were all meaningless, while leaving the door open to start all over again. I think it will hurt people's faith in the process to cancel now, and can't think of a particularly strong reason not to let the vote run its course before deciding what to do next.
It might be for the best that we don’t keep it in voting. During the voting process, it became apparent that the declare() syntax (with all its idiosyncrasies) was a big problem (influencing at least 3 people’s votes), so much so that I decided that I’d make a follow-up RFC to fix it after voting ended, to avoid having to cancel the vote. Now that voting’s cancelled, that could be fixed properly if someone revived the RFC.
I think the vote totals still make a statement. The vote may have ended 4 days early, but it’s only 1 vote short of a 2/3 majority.
I’m not sure, really.
--
Andrea Faulds
http://ajf.me/
It might be for the best that we don’t keep it in voting. During the voting process, it became apparent that the declare() syntax (with all its idiosyncrasies) was a big problem (influencing at least 3 people’s votes), so much so that I decided that I’d make a follow-up RFC to fix it after voting ended, to avoid having to cancel the vote. Now that voting’s cancelled, that could be fixed properly if someone revived the RFC.
People voting one way or another, or their reasons for voting, should
never be a reason to stop a vote, particularly one that has been going
for so long, and received so many votes. That way, madness lies, because
someone could keep closing and reopening different versions of a vote,
and people whose vote was not influenced by that factor would have to
keep remembering to re-register their unchanged vote.
If the vote fails, we know that some people may be persuaded to vote
differently (in either direction) on a similar proposal with different
syntax; if it passes, there is nothing to stop another vote defining a
different syntax before 7.0 is released.
I think the vote totals still make a statement. The vote may have ended 4 days early, but it’s only 1 vote short of a 2/3 majority.
That's why I think it should continue; so that that statement is not
open to argument. Right now, anyone who disagrees with the result can
simply say "well, it was closed early, so it's meaningless".
Regards,
--
Rowan Collins
[IMSoP]
Andrea,
I'm sure this thread will explode shortly, but all the best in
whatever you will do with the newly free time.
Paddy
Hi everyone,
For my own reasons, I have decided to cease my involvement with PHP development. This isn’t a judgement of the PHP community nor the internals mailing list, you’re all wonderful people and it’s really been a pleasure, and I mean that completely honestly. However, this has ended up taking up too much of my time (which is my own fault, and my own fault alone) and I can’t really justify it to myself anymore.
So, I’m no longer contributing to PHP, and all four active RFCs authored by myself are therefore withdrawn: Scalar Type Hints, Spaceship/Combined Comparison Operator, Void Return Type, Big Integer Support.
The first two were in voting, so the votes have been cancelled.
If anyone would like to pick up from where I left off with any of these RFCs, they are very much welcome to - there is no need to consult me first (and it’s probably for the best if you don’t). The Spaceship/Combined Comparison Operator RFC was also authored by Davey Shafik, so ask him if you want to revive that one.
I’m sorry about this, but it can’t be helped. I’d rather move on to other things. I would stick around to finish everything up before I leave, but I just don’t have the time nor the motivation to finish everything. I apologise for that, especially for Scalar Type Hints as I realise this is something a lot of developers were looking forward to.
I’d leave quietly, but since this affects active RFCs, I need to announce it somewhere.
So, thank you, PHP community. It has been a wonderful 2 years.
Goodbye.
--
Andrea Faulds
http://ajf.me/--
--
--
Pádraic Brady
http://blog.astrumfutura.com
http://www.survivethedeepend.com
Zend Framework Community Review Team
Zend Framework PHP-FIG Representative
Thanks for all you've done for PHP in so short time! You've been
representing a big part of the community with your remarkable work. You are
quitting internals but will stay as a reference on PHP community.
Márcio
De : Andrea Faulds [mailto:ajf@ajf.me]
So, thank you, PHP community. It has been a wonderful 2 years.
That's very sad, but I understand it had gone too far. You're more important than any software project, take care of yourself.
Unfortunately, the 'toxic kindergarden' claimed another victim. Not the first one, probably not the last one.
And nobody says that's enough. Nobody says it cannot continue this way, losing the best ones. No reaction. No leadership. No education. No balls.
It really gets me tired and angry. Who's next ?
Good luck, Andrea. Hope to welcome you back soon.
Regards
François
Hi Andrea,
Thank you for all your hard word and time you've put into this project and
it saddens me to see you decide that, but I do understand where you come
from.
Looking forward for your next project and I wish it will bring you more
recognition than this one did.
Best regards,
Stelian
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:23 AM, François Laupretre francois@php.net
wrote:
De : Andrea Faulds [mailto:ajf@ajf.me]
So, thank you, PHP community. It has been a wonderful 2 years.
That's very sad, but I understand it had gone too far. You're more
important than any software project, take care of yourself.Unfortunately, the 'toxic kindergarden' claimed another victim. Not the
first one, probably not the last one.And nobody says that's enough. Nobody says it cannot continue this way,
losing the best ones. No reaction. No leadership. No education. No balls.It really gets me tired and angry. Who's next ?
Good luck, Andrea. Hope to welcome you back soon.
Regards
François
I am not the core developer of PHP, but I am keeping watch the develop
list for long times.
Andrea Faulds, actively contributes the PHP core. but it's hard to
implement your dream here.
So sad I feel.
Say no is easier, but do things is hard. the dissenting voices makes
things harder and harder.
Please do not just say no, no no.
Please gave you advice. If you think not right. Please gave us a
guide, a tips, a better solution.
You just say no, and onto the contribute from who kind heart to help
the community. Just uses less.
You will push everyone out of the game.
Andrea Faulds is one of the very good coder , even she is a beauty
girl. Push her out now completely
Now you guys feel better, the world got peace? I feel very sad,
because the PHP lost a good contributor
I am not the core developer of PHP, but I am keeping watch the develop
list for long times.
Andrea Faulds, actively contributes the PHP core. but it's hard to
implement your dream here.
So sad I feel.
Say no is easier, but do things is hard. the dissenting voices makes
things harder and harder.
Please do not just say no, no no.
Please gave you advice. If you think not right. Please gave us a
guide, a tips, a better solution.
You just say no, and onto the contribute from who kind heart to help
the community. Just uses less.
You will push everyone out of the game.Andrea Faulds is one of the very good coder , even she is a beauty
girl. Push her out now completelyNow you guys feel better, the world got peace? I feel very sad,
because the PHP lost a good contributor--
Best of luck in all your future endeavors! You certainly added a lot more
to this project than most people ever did, including myself. =)
--Kris
François Laupretre wrote on 15/02/2015 23:23:
De : Andrea Faulds [mailto:ajf@ajf.me]
So, thank you, PHP community. It has been a wonderful 2 years.
That's very sad, but I understand it had gone too far. You're more important than any software project, take care of yourself.Unfortunately, the 'toxic kindergarden' claimed another victim. Not the first one, probably not the last one.
Please can we take Andrea at her word:
This isn’t a judgement of the PHP community nor the internals mailing
list, you’re all wonderful people and it’s really been a pleasure, and I
mean that completely honestly.
If people want to express their own frustrations at the community - and
do so in a constructive way - then by all means start your own thread.
But it's kind of annoying to see everyone leaping to attach motives to
Andrea's exit which are completely different from those she stated, just
because it fits their world view and gives them an excuse to talk about it.
Regards,
Rowan Collins
[IMSoP]
De : Rowan Collins [mailto:rowan.collins@gmail.com]
Please can we take Andrea at her word:
This isn’t a judgement of the PHP community nor the internals mailing
list, you’re all wonderful people and it’s really been a pleasure, and I
mean that completely honestly.If people want to express their own frustrations at the community - and
do so in a constructive way - then by all means start your own thread.
But it's kind of annoying to see everyone leaping to attach motives to
Andrea's exit which are completely different from those she stated, just
because it fits their world view and gives them an excuse to talk about it.
You're right. I am probably expressing my own frustration when I imagine that withdrawing four important RFC s a few days before vote ends has little to do with time management issues.
Let's stay politically correct and don't express anything about the atmosphere in the community, which has nothing to do with Andrea's decision. Anthony was more honest when he left, but you're right, that's probably more constructive to see people leave and say nothing. We have so many skilled and motivated internal developers !
Yes, that's frustration. I was just trying to express something beyond 'OK, we understand you're too busy, see you soon', but I am stopping now as you find it annoying.
Regards
François
François Laupretre wrote on 16/02/2015 12:27:
De : Rowan Collins [mailto:rowan.collins@gmail.com]
Please can we take Andrea at her word:
This isn’t a judgement of the PHP community nor the internals mailing
list, you’re all wonderful people and it’s really been a pleasure, and I
mean that completely honestly.If people want to express their own frustrations at the community - and
do so in a constructive way - then by all means start your own thread.
But it's kind of annoying to see everyone leaping to attach motives to
Andrea's exit which are completely different from those she stated, just
because it fits their world view and gives them an excuse to talk about it.
You're right. I am probably expressing my own frustration when I imagine that withdrawing four important RFC s a few days before vote ends has little to do with time management issues.Let's stay politically correct and don't express anything about the atmosphere in the community, which has nothing to do with Andrea's decision. Anthony was more honest when he left, but you're right, that's probably more constructive to see people leave and say nothing. We have so many skilled and motivated internal developers !
Yes, that's frustration. I was just trying to express something beyond 'OK, we understand you're too busy, see you soon', but I am stopping now as you find it annoying.
If YOU are frustrated, send a message about YOUR frustration. Yes, I
think there might be more to Andrea's decision that she hasn't
explicitly mentioned; that might be exactly what you're guessing, but it
might be something extremely personal which is none of our business.
Saying "that's enough" isn't even a productive comment. Enough what?
What is it you are asking to happen next?
So, let's take Andrea at her word, and think productively about the
implications:
Working on core features for PHP is very time-consuming, why is that?
Off the top of my head...
- There is a lack of expertise at the core level of the code, so
collaboration on each feature is low. RFCs tend to have a single
sponsor, who has to see the whole process through to the end. - The leadership of the language is left to consensus, so that when
consensus cannot be reached, someone has to take on the role of mediator
/ chairman / leader for the feature, and try to push through a compromise. - The RFC process traditionally has only one voting phase, with a
Proof-Of-Concept patch completed, and voters expecting few
implementation details to change. So a lot of time has to be committed
to the details of a feature which might be outright rejected. It might
be more efficient if the principle of a change, details such as syntax,
and final implementation, could be considered separate phases. - The internals list is quite high-volume, and the same points end up
being raised multiple times, so a feature sponsor has to give the same
counter-point or explanation each time.
Most of these don't have easy solutions, but hopefully they're specific
enough points that we can come up with some concrete ideas on how to
improve things.
Regards,
Rowan Collins
[IMSoP]
You're right. I am probably expressing my own frustration when I imagine that withdrawing four important RFC s a few days before vote ends has little to do with time management issues.
Let's stay politically correct and don't express anything about the atmosphere in the community, which has nothing to do with Andrea's decision. Anthony was more honest when he left, but you're right, that's probably more constructive to see people leave and say nothing. We have so many skilled and motivated internal developers !
Yes, that's frustration. I was just trying to express something beyond 'OK, we understand you're too busy, see you soon', but I am stopping now as you find it annoying.
Regards
François
This is no joke, it is going to be really frustrating if this feature is
abandoned. Isn't there someone capable and interested on taking the RFC?
If the amount of votes required is 2/3 (66%), then adding the feature in
was voted by majority (67/101 = 66%). Again this is really frustrating,
I was already celebrating and planning how I could use/make the best of
scalar type hints on existing code. Even salivating on all those
optimizations planned by other individuals on the community.
I hope this is continued by some one or Andrea has the time to come back
and finish the great work she started.
Sad day :(
The 0.1 RFC version was mentioned a lot as a good compromise by many people
and had major support.
Maybe someone competent could pick it up, make necessary adjustments that
where required and let people vote on it? Start with small steps - get the
weak type hints into the language first, see how it gets used and then we
can always add strict type hints if there is a need/desire to do that.
That way we finally get type hints into the language, and those wanting the
strict variety have all the opportunities in the world to add them at a
later release with proper discussion and development time.
Thanks,
Arvids.
2015.02.15. 22:21 ezt írta ("Andrea Faulds" ajf@ajf.me):
Hi everyone,
For my own reasons, I have decided to cease my involvement with PHP
development. This isn’t a judgement of the PHP community nor the internals
mailing list, you’re all wonderful people and it’s really been a pleasure,
and I mean that completely honestly. However, this has ended up taking up
too much of my time (which is my own fault, and my own fault alone) and I
can’t really justify it to myself anymore.So, I’m no longer contributing to PHP, and all four active RFCs authored
by myself are therefore withdrawn: Scalar Type Hints, Spaceship/Combined
Comparison Operator, Void Return Type, Big Integer Support.The first two were in voting, so the votes have been cancelled.
If anyone would like to pick up from where I left off with any of these
RFCs, they are very much welcome to - there is no need to consult me first
(and it’s probably for the best if you don’t). The Spaceship/Combined
Comparison Operator RFC was also authored by Davey Shafik, so ask him if
you want to revive that one.I’m sorry about this, but it can’t be helped. I’d rather move on to other
things. I would stick around to finish everything up before I leave, but I
just don’t have the time nor the motivation to finish everything. I
apologise for that, especially for Scalar Type Hints as I realise this is
something a lot of developers were looking forward to.I’d leave quietly, but since this affects active RFCs, I need to announce
it somewhere.So, thank you, PHP community. It has been a wonderful 2 years.
Goodbye.
--
Andrea Faulds
http://ajf.me/--
Hi,
As you stated your reasons I'm not gonna assume otherwise.
First I would like to thank you for all the contributions in these past
years and that you always kept your cool, even in the long/heated
discussions.
And of course I hope that in the future we will see you back!
May be leave for a while can let she happier than before. Do not censure her
2015.02.16. 8:12 ezt írta ("Netroby" hufeng1987@gmail.com):
May be leave for a while can let she happier than before. Do not censure
her
What do you mean?
Hi everyone,
For my own reasons, I have decided to cease my involvement with PHP development. This isn’t a judgement of the PHP community nor the internals mailing list, you’re all wonderful people and it’s really been a pleasure, and I mean that completely honestly. However, this has ended up taking up too much of my time (which is my own fault, and my own fault alone) and I can’t really justify it to myself anymore.
...
Sorry to see you leave. Thank you for your time and hard work here.
You had the courage to attack some difficult & contentious problems.
Best wishes at whatever you do next.
To misquote Douglass Adams:
So long and thanks for all the patches!
--
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Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer.
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