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To: Philip Sturgeon <pjsturgeon@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] I quit.
From: tyra3l@gmail.com (Ferenc Kovacs)

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2015.02.15. 22:55 ezt =C3=ADrta ("Philip Sturgeon" <pjsturgeon@gmail.com>):
>
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Andrea Faulds <ajf@ajf.me> wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > For my own reasons, I have decided to cease my involvement with PHP
development. This isn=E2=80=99t a judgement of the PHP community nor the in=
ternals
mailing list, you=E2=80=99re all wonderful people and it=E2=80=99s really b=
een a pleasure,
and I mean that completely honestly. However, this has ended up taking up
too much of my time (which is my own fault, and my own fault alone) and I
can=E2=80=99t really justify it to myself anymore.
> >
> > So, I=E2=80=99m no longer contributing to PHP, and all four active RFCs
authored by myself are therefore withdrawn: Scalar Type Hints,
Spaceship/Combined Comparison Operator, Void Return Type, Big Integer
Support.
> >
> > The first two were in voting, so the votes have been cancelled.
> >
> > If anyone would like to pick up from where I left off with any of these
RFCs, they are very much welcome to - there is no need to consult me first
(and it=E2=80=99s probably for the best if you don=E2=80=99t). The Spaceshi=
p/Combined
Comparison Operator RFC was also authored by Davey Shafik, so ask him if
you want to revive that one.
> >
> > I=E2=80=99m sorry about this, but it can=E2=80=99t be helped. I=E2=80=
=99d rather move on to
other things. I would stick around to finish everything up before I leave,
but I just don=E2=80=99t have the time nor the motivation to finish everyth=
ing. I
apologise for that, especially for Scalar Type Hints as I realise this is
something a lot of developers were looking forward to.
> >
> > I=E2=80=99d leave quietly, but since this affects active RFCs, I need t=
o
announce it somewhere.
> >
> > So, thank you, PHP community. It has been a wonderful 2 years.
> >
> > Goodbye.
> >
> > --
> > Andrea Faulds
> > http://ajf.me/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> >
>
> I do not accept this.
>
> You are one of the most active, motivated and appreciated contributors
> of PHP over the last few years. Not to shit on anyone specifically,
> but there are only 4 or 5 people doing 80% of the work of PHP
> recently, and you are one of them.
>
> Scalar Type Hints are a massive burden, and you're stuck in the middle
> of everyone who has a strong opinion about either strict or weak and
> getting screamed at by both camps at the same time as getting crap
> from the people who dont want either.
>
> I constantly see people giving you shit in here, on Reddit,
> StackOverflow Chat and wherever else and it sickens me. They're
> condescending, patronising or at the very least missing some P's and
> Q's which are fairly important when giving feedback as harsh as they
> often give.
>
> The lack of respect between contributors here in general sickens me,
> and I'm not known as somebody who is wildly polite at all times.
>
> Scalar Type Hinting was the closest it's ever been. If the workload is
> too much then stick to one RFC at a time, but to remove yourself from
> the equation is a massive loss for PHP as a whole. I'm not trying to
> place a burden on you, but your input will be sorely missed by a
> massive number of people.
>
> Please, don't let the assholes win. PHP needs you.
>
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>

Hi,

I don't think it is the proper time and place to discuss this, but I don't
think that your representation of reddit/so chat and internals is correct
or appropriate.
If you have somebody in mind then feel free to bring that up to them or to
the lists admins if you think they are breaking code of conduct(~"don't be
an asshole") but now you just play guilt by association.
I hope this thread can stay civil!

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