Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:82756 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 23372 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2015 22:15:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Feb 2015 22:15:31 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=ajf@ajf.me; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=ajf@ajf.me; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain ajf.me designates 192.64.116.200 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: ajf@ajf.me X-Host-Fingerprint: 192.64.116.200 imap1-2.ox.privateemail.com Received: from [192.64.116.200] ([192.64.116.200:58077] helo=imap1-2.ox.privateemail.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 55/61-13857-28A11E45 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:15:30 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.privateemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A228BB0007B; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:15:26 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at imap1.ox.privateemail.com Received: from mail.privateemail.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (imap1.ox.privateemail.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id aA8s0mZW5fdZ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:15:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from oa-res-26-240.wireless.abdn.ac.uk (oa-res-26-240.wireless.abdn.ac.uk [137.50.26.240]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.privateemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F0290B00068; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:15:25 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2070.6\)) In-Reply-To: <54E118BC.2010009@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 22:15:23 +0000 Cc: internals@lists.php.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <7C723F41-B7E2-440A-B96B-5BC799638CBE@ajf.me> References: <82D0FEAC-4B86-4589-A21B-51A9E8795D8A@ajf.me> <54E118BC.2010009@gmail.com> To: Rowan Collins X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2070.6) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] I quit. From: ajf@ajf.me (Andrea Faulds) Hey Rowan, > On 15 Feb 2015, at 22:07, Rowan Collins = wrote: >=20 > I'm really really sorry to hear this. The energy you've put into the = project recently has been really appreciated by many people, and I = really admire your dedication to finding compromises to controversial = topics. I can see, though, that it takes a lot of time to be that = actively involved on a voluntary basis, and that a clean break might = feel necessary to shift your focus. I hope to see your name in future, = either in a less involved role in PHP, or in some other project. Thank you. > On a purely procedural note, though, is there some way the Scalar Type = Hints RFC can be left in voting, as a vote in principle, while we wait = for someone to step up and take over the implementation? There are only = 4 days left, and with over 100 votes cast, it seems a shame to say that = they were all meaningless, while leaving the door open to start all over = again. I think it will hurt people's faith in the process to cancel now, = and can't think of a particularly strong reason not to let the vote run = its course before deciding what to do next. It might be for the best that we don=E2=80=99t keep it in voting. During = the voting process, it became apparent that the declare() syntax (with = all its idiosyncrasies) was a big problem (influencing at least 3 = people=E2=80=99s votes), so much so that I decided that I=E2=80=99d make = a follow-up RFC to fix it after voting ended, to avoid having to cancel = the vote. Now that voting=E2=80=99s cancelled, that could be fixed = properly if someone revived the RFC. I think the vote totals still make a statement. The vote may have ended = 4 days early, but it=E2=80=99s only 1 vote short of a 2/3 majority. I=E2=80=99m not sure, really. -- Andrea Faulds http://ajf.me/