Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:82761 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 33605 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2015 22:41:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Feb 2015 22:41:41 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rowan.collins@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rowan.collins@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.212.176 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rowan.collins@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.212.176 mail-wi0-f176.google.com Received: from [209.85.212.176] ([209.85.212.176:59864] helo=mail-wi0-f176.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id A0/13-13857-4A021E45 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:41:41 -0500 Received: by mail-wi0-f176.google.com with SMTP id h11so22487236wiw.3 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 14:41:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=34kS2cRSV+MpxcXRbz2bpziMLn/6i0AATj+tW6FB5/c=; b=gmu1jC24ujWiQvC3M282Yom8xoymHZNS3AHyj79mlw7X/kMLqqE8s9hHS3Zd2sX5ar OCSpqqpNEIF69946ECNrAAZe8ksQsytez7KaD6eQX+sy6dNbcAU8y0ehutryT+cutOKj iwcGdtaExzTNjGeRnB+kkrUU+me3q+ytCpDJMfZzF3JpDgGxajmaxnVVQHxH9GN7NFat 8kaSjvqK8H6zpdQN4+61sPlfBbgIpDp4b1FN8KWF5Vd2Vqipbe19prMyBKdo+vMT6s2/ a803eSdzQhivWdRBXGXmRepQm9qaon7aa9PipsDZuB74ALWiscUvL/Rk4p29Yjhi8E9d Hm7w== X-Received: by 10.194.22.6 with SMTP id z6mr42279676wje.146.1424040097539; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 14:41:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cpc68956-brig15-2-0-cust215.3-3.cable.virginm.net. [82.6.24.216]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id cb14sm12892398wib.22.2015.02.15.14.41.36 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 15 Feb 2015 14:41:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54E12093.2040803@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 22:41:23 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: internals@lists.php.net References: <82D0FEAC-4B86-4589-A21B-51A9E8795D8A@ajf.me> <54E118BC.2010009@gmail.com> <7C723F41-B7E2-440A-B96B-5BC799638CBE@ajf.me> In-Reply-To: <7C723F41-B7E2-440A-B96B-5BC799638CBE@ajf.me> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] I quit. From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins) On 15/02/2015 22:15, Andrea Faulds wrote: > It might be for the best that we don’t keep it in voting. During the voting process, it became apparent that the declare() syntax (with all its idiosyncrasies) was a big problem (influencing at least 3 people’s votes), so much so that I decided that I’d make a follow-up RFC to fix it after voting ended, to avoid having to cancel the vote. Now that voting’s cancelled, that could be fixed properly if someone revived the RFC. People voting one way or another, or their reasons for voting, should never be a reason to stop a vote, particularly one that has been going for so long, and received so many votes. That way, madness lies, because someone could keep closing and reopening different versions of a vote, and people whose vote was not influenced by that factor would have to keep remembering to re-register their unchanged vote. If the vote fails, we know that some people may be persuaded to vote differently (in either direction) on a similar proposal with different syntax; if it passes, there is nothing to stop another vote defining a different syntax before 7.0 is released. > I think the vote totals still make a statement. The vote may have ended 4 days early, but it’s only 1 vote short of a 2/3 majority. That's why I think it should continue; so that that statement is not open to argument. Right now, anyone who disagrees with the result can simply say "well, it was closed early, so it's meaningless". Regards, -- Rowan Collins [IMSoP]