Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:82754 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 16513 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2015 21:53:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Feb 2015 21:53:57 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pjsturgeon@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pjsturgeon@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.217.176 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pjsturgeon@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.217.176 mail-lb0-f176.google.com Received: from [209.85.217.176] ([209.85.217.176:33510] helo=mail-lb0-f176.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 4B/50-13857-47511E45 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 16:53:57 -0500 Received: by mail-lb0-f176.google.com with SMTP id u10so24086146lbd.7 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:53:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=z6IN25QAEwVfrW8NCuvZrunihUii5E2pbUiKYbugOtw=; b=F1/dTMq0N0g445J/H2UgPnawMzbYfbH2g1wbD2BSGt9NDTmtaVUXHCXkw9R7E4ansM nxXpxC35Ykiuywc+Q0aBA45FIqqRHBk4fT9Iy4qXxmvbKsN7FRvwmf+BYMKjBbfQJCMx NGqQZUwG+PYRzQw6eTxiF7L7SO9+7TbFLotVCTPSRYMYJAtSQvaI6CLpoeSzDaqs4V7p bsrITNy6S0967U96PglaL6wNDr+oe//hvwgln4ptSLrY28M9eotuzXTOErjueOF5uXPL 1mWsc589heGixDu6EkwPn9BTldoHirpoWnRjYooNp6OraXvUM4XQLQcgFoQaHCwcGs76 Po1g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.27.173 with SMTP id u13mr19385926lbg.7.1424037233390; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:53:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.26.34 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:53:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <82D0FEAC-4B86-4589-A21B-51A9E8795D8A@ajf.me> References: <82D0FEAC-4B86-4589-A21B-51A9E8795D8A@ajf.me> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 16:53:53 -0500 Message-ID: To: Andrea Faulds Cc: PHP Internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] I quit. From: pjsturgeon@gmail.com (Philip Sturgeon) On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Andrea Faulds wrote: > Hi everyone, > > For my own reasons, I have decided to cease my involvement with PHP devel= opment. This isn=E2=80=99t a judgement of the PHP community nor the interna= ls mailing list, you=E2=80=99re all wonderful people and it=E2=80=99s reall= y been a pleasure, and I mean that completely honestly. However, this has e= nded up taking up too much of my time (which is my own fault, and my own fa= ult alone) and I can=E2=80=99t really justify it to myself anymore. > > So, I=E2=80=99m no longer contributing to PHP, and all four active RFCs a= uthored by myself are therefore withdrawn: Scalar Type Hints, Spaceship/Com= bined Comparison Operator, Void Return Type, Big Integer Support. > > The first two were in voting, so the votes have been cancelled. > > If anyone would like to pick up from where I left off with any of these R= FCs, they are very much welcome to - there is no need to consult me first (= and it=E2=80=99s probably for the best if you don=E2=80=99t). The Spaceship= /Combined Comparison Operator RFC was also authored by Davey Shafik, so ask= him if you want to revive that one. > > I=E2=80=99m sorry about this, but it can=E2=80=99t be helped. I=E2=80=99d= rather move on to other things. I would stick around to finish everything = up before I leave, but I just don=E2=80=99t have the time nor the motivatio= n to finish everything. I apologise for that, especially for Scalar Type Hi= nts as I realise this is something a lot of developers were looking forward= to. > > I=E2=80=99d leave quietly, but since this affects active RFCs, I need to = announce it somewhere. > > So, thank you, PHP community. It has been a wonderful 2 years. > > Goodbye. > > -- > Andrea Faulds > http://ajf.me/ > > > > > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > I do not accept this. You are one of the most active, motivated and appreciated contributors of PHP over the last few years. Not to shit on anyone specifically, but there are only 4 or 5 people doing 80% of the work of PHP recently, and you are one of them. Scalar Type Hints are a massive burden, and you're stuck in the middle of everyone who has a strong opinion about either strict or weak and getting screamed at by both camps at the same time as getting crap from the people who dont want either. I constantly see people giving you shit in here, on Reddit, StackOverflow Chat and wherever else and it sickens me. They're condescending, patronising or at the very least missing some P's and Q's which are fairly important when giving feedback as harsh as they often give. The lack of respect between contributors here in general sickens me, and I'm not known as somebody who is wildly polite at all times. Scalar Type Hinting was the closest it's ever been. If the workload is too much then stick to one RFC at a time, but to remove yourself from the equation is a massive loss for PHP as a whole. I'm not trying to place a burden on you, but your input will be sorely missed by a massive number of people. Please, don't let the assholes win. PHP needs you.