Request for karma to vote on RFCs

2 years ago by Bob Magic — view source

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Currently there are people with voting permissions that do vote, yet do
not
interact with RFCs or the mailing list.

it does not help that depending on how you get the mailing list (like me,
in digest form) its almost impossible to actually chime in. just to reply
to this i have done about 13 clicks in the gmail interface, and im still
sure this will show up outside of the timeline of the actual thread and may
be read by at most 2 people who happened to find it on externals.io.

plus that one time your client accidentally top-posts instead of bottom
posts and starts yet another flamewar about that instead of talking about
what you actually wanted to talk about.

my favourite way to comment on things is to comment on the github pull
requests usually tagged in the RFC's because you don't have to be a member
of the club to chime in there. it has been an issue in the past where
someone has been too sensitive and deleted comments though immediately
after "open for discussion" dot dot dot

i'd say we need something more modern and transparent than this old mailing
list, but i completely lack a suggestion that isn't somehow worse than what
we got now in terms of massively multiplayer discussion.

2 years ago by Peter Bowyer — view source

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Currently there are people with voting permissions that do vote, yet do
not interact with RFCs or the mailing list.

i'd say we need something more modern and transparent than this old mailing
list, but i completely lack a suggestion that isn't somehow worse than what
we got now in terms of massively multiplayer discussion.

I have now been contacted by 2 people who tried multiple times to join this
mailing list and cannot.

It took me 5 weeks for my signup to work. During that time I emailed the
different @php.net mailboxes related to infrastructure and/or the web and
received no response. Eventually I managed to sign up - once I created this
brand-new Gmail account. The signup form is unreliable.

There are people wanting to take part in discussions who can't.

I volunteer to help sort this. Can someone who knows the PHP group
procedures please tell me the next steps?

Peter

2 years ago by Lynn — view source

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On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Peter Bowyer phpmailinglists@gmail.com
wrote:

I have now been contacted by 2 people who tried multiple times to join this
mailing list and cannot.

It took me 5 weeks for my signup to work. During that time I emailed the
different @php.net mailboxes related to infrastructure and/or the web and
received no response. Eventually I managed to sign up - once I created this
brand-new Gmail account. The signup form is unreliable.

There are people wanting to take part in discussions who can't.

It took me a very long time to get signed up to the mailing list as well,
so I poked around on twitter back then to see if anyone could help me. I've
tried several times over the timespan of at least a year and I never
received a follow up after using the form. I'm not sure what changed, it
just worked eventually. I'm also still receiving a bunch of messages from
the mailing list in my spam folder (gmail), and there's not much I can do
about it. I would love to see a system replacing the mailing list, one
where we can reliably use things like markdown to properly quote and have
code blocks and have at least semi-decent threaded discussions.

2 years ago by Bruce Weirdan — view source

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I'm also still receiving a bunch of messages from
the mailing list in my spam folder (gmail), and there's not much I can do
about it.

I fixed it in Gmail with a filter like this:
Matches (goes into 'Has words' field): list:(internals.lists.php.net)
Do this: Never send it to Spam

--
Best regards,
Bruce Weirdan mailto:weirdan@gmail.com

2 years ago by Lynn — view source

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I'm also still receiving a bunch of messages from
the mailing list in my spam folder (gmail), and there's not much I can do
about it.

I fixed it in Gmail with a filter like this:
Matches (goes into 'Has words' field): list:(internals.lists.php.net)
Do this: Never send it to Spam

--
Best regards,
Bruce Weirdan mailto:
weirdan@gmail.com

Thanks!! I've added the filter, let's see how it goes

2 years ago by Bob Magic — view source

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i can't prove that i was shadowbanned but after a huge fight with someone
on this mailing list, i stopped getting all responses from it, even just
general help commands, for about 6 years. mysteriously it just started
working again last year with nothing done on my part, and here i am, right
where it left off. it could have just been as broken for me as it was you.

On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Peter Bowyer phpmailinglists@gmail.com
wrote:

I have now been contacted by 2 people who tried multiple times to join
this
mailing list and cannot.

It took me 5 weeks for my signup to work. During that time I emailed the
different @php.net mailboxes related to infrastructure and/or the web and
received no response. Eventually I managed to sign up - once I created
this
brand-new Gmail account. The signup form is unreliable.

There are people wanting to take part in discussions who can't.

It took me a very long time to get signed up to the mailing list as well,
so I poked around on twitter back then to see if anyone could help me. I've
tried several times over the timespan of at least a year and I never
received a follow up after using the form. I'm not sure what changed, it
just worked eventually. I'm also still receiving a bunch of messages from
the mailing list in my spam folder (gmail), and there's not much I can do
about it. I would love to see a system replacing the mailing list, one
where we can reliably use things like markdown to properly quote and have
code blocks and have at least semi-decent threaded discussions.

2 years ago by Mike Schinkel — view source

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On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Peter Bowyer phpmailinglists@gmail.com
wrote:

I have now been contacted by 2 people who tried multiple times to join this
mailing list and cannot.

It took me 5 weeks for my signup to work. During that time I emailed the
different @php.net mailboxes related to infrastructure and/or the web and
received no response. Eventually I managed to sign up - once I created this
brand-new Gmail account. The signup form is unreliable.

There are people wanting to take part in discussions who can't.

It took me a very long time to get signed up to the mailing list as well,
so I poked around on twitter back then to see if anyone could help me. I've
tried several times over the timespan of at least a year and I never
received a follow up after using the form. I'm not sure what changed, it
just worked eventually. I'm also still receiving a bunch of messages from
the mailing list in my spam folder (gmail), and there's not much I can do
about it. I would love to see a system replacing the mailing list, one
where we can reliably use things like markdown to properly quote and have
code blocks and have at least semi-decent threaded discussions.

A fix[1] has been applied in hopes to resolve the mailing list sign-up issue. For those who had issues with signing up for the mailing list would you be willing to please test the signup process[2]?

If yes and you still experience a problem, could you please report the issue to php-webmaster@lists.php.net mailto:php-webmaster@lists.php.net list, or if you don't want to sign up for that list you could please email me off-list so I could look into the continued problem and communicate about it on the webmaster list for you?

Thank you in advance.

-Mike

[1] https://github.com/php/web-php/pull/426
[2] https://www.php.net/mailing-lists.php

2 years ago by Tiffany Taylor — view source

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Forwarding this to internals because I mistakenly replied to an email
directly.

On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 2:33 AM Peter Bowyer phpmailinglists@gmail.com
wrote:

Currently there are people with voting permissions that do vote, yet do
not interact with RFCs or the mailing list.

i'd say we need something more modern and transparent than this old
mailing
list, but i completely lack a suggestion that isn't somehow worse than
what
we got now in terms of massively multiplayer discussion.

I have now been contacted by 2 people who tried multiple times to join this
mailing list and cannot.

It took me 5 weeks for my signup to work. During that time I emailed the
different @php.net mailboxes related to infrastructure and/or the web and
received no response. Eventually I managed to sign up - once I created this
brand-new Gmail account. The signup form is unreliable.

There are people wanting to take part in discussions who can't.

I volunteer to help sort this. Can someone who knows the PHP group
procedures please tell me the next steps?

Peter

Disclaimer: I am scanning a previous conversation while composing this
email. It has been a month since I dived into this code, so this email may
contain some inaccuracies, I ask for your patience in that regard.

It was noted off-list that there are difficulties with subscribing to
mailing lists. Ramsey and I looked at the code about a month ago,
discovered that there are some broken bits around
https://github.com/php/web-php/blob/7d6e63b6163e1991077822b71f7ba561e5171286/mailing-lists.php#L66-L89
and
https://github.com/php/web-master/blob/819070de35a7b167766d3d64cbb0b450327eed7b/public/entry/subscribe.php#L9-L14.
He was able to get the subscription code working locally while running 7.4,
but the code does not work on 8.0, due to removed functions.
See also: https://github.com/php/web-php/blob/master/include/layout.inc#L251
, https://github.com/php/web-php/blob/master/mailing-lists.php#L99.

With that said, I want to invest time to resolve this, but I am currently
working on other things, and thus haven't had time to volunteer to fix it.
I can only speak for myself, but if someone wanted to take upon themselves
to resolve this, I would greatly appreciate it.

Also, note that subscription via email is possible:

If you experience trouble subscribing via the form above, you may also
subscribe by sending an email to the list server. To subscribe to any
mailing list, send an email to listname-subscribe@lists.php.net
(substituting the name of the list for listname — for example,
php-general-subscribe@lists.php.net).

2 years ago by Mike Schinkel — view source

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Forwarding this to internals because I mistakenly replied to an email
directly.

On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 2:33 AM Peter Bowyer phpmailinglists@gmail.com
wrote:

Currently there are people with voting permissions that do vote, yet do
not interact with RFCs or the mailing list.

i'd say we need something more modern and transparent than this old
mailing
list, but i completely lack a suggestion that isn't somehow worse than
what
we got now in terms of massively multiplayer discussion.

I have now been contacted by 2 people who tried multiple times to join this
mailing list and cannot.

It took me 5 weeks for my signup to work. During that time I emailed the
different @php.net mailboxes related to infrastructure and/or the web and
received no response. Eventually I managed to sign up - once I created this
brand-new Gmail account. The signup form is unreliable.

There are people wanting to take part in discussions who can't.

I volunteer to help sort this. Can someone who knows the PHP group
procedures please tell me the next steps?

Peter

Disclaimer: I am scanning a previous conversation while composing this
email. It has been a month since I dived into this code, so this email may
contain some inaccuracies, I ask for your patience in that regard.

It was noted off-list that there are difficulties with subscribing to
mailing lists. Ramsey and I looked at the code about a month ago,
discovered that there are some broken bits around
https://github.com/php/web-php/blob/7d6e63b6163e1991077822b71f7ba561e5171286/mailing-lists.php#L66-L89
and
https://github.com/php/web-master/blob/819070de35a7b167766d3d64cbb0b450327eed7b/public/entry/subscribe.php#L9-L14.
He was able to get the subscription code working locally while running 7.4,
but the code does not work on 8.0, due to removed functions.
See also: https://github.com/php/web-php/blob/master/include/layout.inc#L251
, https://github.com/php/web-php/blob/master/mailing-lists.php#L99.

With that said, I want to invest time to resolve this, but I am currently
working on other things, and thus haven't had time to volunteer to fix it.
I can only speak for myself, but if someone wanted to take upon themselves
to resolve this, I would greatly appreciate it.

I could work on this as I recently got web-php set up and working locally to be able to submit some PRs.

But I assume the [PHP-DEV] list is probably not the best list to discuss this. Can someone please recommend which list this would be best discussed on?

-Mike