Currently there are people with voting permissions that do vote, yet do
not
interact with RFCs or the mailing list.
it does not help that depending on how you get the mailing list (like me, 
in digest form) its almost impossible to actually chime in. just to reply 
to this i have done about 13 clicks in the gmail interface, and im still 
sure this will show up outside of the timeline of the actual thread and may 
be read by at most 2 people who happened to find it on externals.io.
plus that one time your client accidentally top-posts instead of bottom 
posts and starts yet another flamewar about that instead of talking about 
what you actually wanted to talk about.
my favourite way to comment on things is to comment on the github pull 
requests usually tagged in the RFC's because you don't have to be a member 
of the club to chime in there. it has been an issue in the past where 
someone has been too sensitive and deleted comments though immediately 
after "open for discussion" dot dot dot
i'd say we need something more modern and transparent than this old mailing 
list, but i completely lack a suggestion that isn't somehow worse than what 
we got now in terms of massively multiplayer discussion.
Currently there are people with voting permissions that do vote, yet do
not interact with RFCs or the mailing list.
i'd say we need something more modern and transparent than this old mailing
list, but i completely lack a suggestion that isn't somehow worse than what
we got now in terms of massively multiplayer discussion.
I have now been contacted by 2 people who tried multiple times to join this 
mailing list and cannot.
It took me 5 weeks for my signup to work. During that time I emailed the 
different @php.net mailboxes related to infrastructure and/or the web and 
received no response. Eventually I managed to sign up - once I created this 
brand-new Gmail account. The signup form is unreliable.
There are people wanting to take part in discussions who can't.
I volunteer to help sort this. Can someone who knows the PHP group 
procedures please tell me the next steps?
Peter
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Peter Bowyer phpmailinglists@gmail.com 
wrote:
I have now been contacted by 2 people who tried multiple times to join this
mailing list and cannot.It took me 5 weeks for my signup to work. During that time I emailed the
different @php.net mailboxes related to infrastructure and/or the web and
received no response. Eventually I managed to sign up - once I created this
brand-new Gmail account. The signup form is unreliable.There are people wanting to take part in discussions who can't.
It took me a very long time to get signed up to the mailing list as well, 
so I poked around on twitter back then to see if anyone could help me. I've 
tried several times over the timespan of at least a year and I never 
received a follow up after using the form. I'm not sure what changed, it 
just worked eventually. I'm also still receiving a bunch of messages from 
the mailing list in my spam folder (gmail), and there's not much I can do 
about it. I would love to see a system replacing the mailing list, one 
where we can reliably use things like markdown to properly quote and have 
code blocks and have at least semi-decent threaded discussions.
I'm also still receiving a bunch of messages from
the mailing list in my spam folder (gmail), and there's not much I can do
about it.
I fixed it in Gmail with a filter like this: 
Matches (goes into 'Has words' field): list:(internals.lists.php.net) 
Do this: Never send it to Spam
-- 
Best regards, 
Bruce Weirdan                                     mailto:weirdan@gmail.com
I'm also still receiving a bunch of messages from
the mailing list in my spam folder (gmail), and there's not much I can do
about it.I fixed it in Gmail with a filter like this:
Matches (goes into 'Has words' field): list:(internals.lists.php.net)
Do this: Never send it to Spam--
Best regards,
Bruce Weirdan mailto:
weirdan@gmail.com
Thanks!! I've added the filter, let's see how it goes
i can't prove that i was shadowbanned but after a huge fight with someone 
on this mailing list, i stopped getting all responses from it, even just 
general help commands, for about 6 years. mysteriously it just started 
working again last year with nothing done on my part, and here i am, right 
where it left off. it could have just been as broken for me as it was you.
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Peter Bowyer phpmailinglists@gmail.com
wrote:I have now been contacted by 2 people who tried multiple times to join
this
mailing list and cannot.It took me 5 weeks for my signup to work. During that time I emailed the
different @php.net mailboxes related to infrastructure and/or the web and
received no response. Eventually I managed to sign up - once I created
this
brand-new Gmail account. The signup form is unreliable.There are people wanting to take part in discussions who can't.
It took me a very long time to get signed up to the mailing list as well,
so I poked around on twitter back then to see if anyone could help me. I've
tried several times over the timespan of at least a year and I never
received a follow up after using the form. I'm not sure what changed, it
just worked eventually. I'm also still receiving a bunch of messages from
the mailing list in my spam folder (gmail), and there's not much I can do
about it. I would love to see a system replacing the mailing list, one
where we can reliably use things like markdown to properly quote and have
code blocks and have at least semi-decent threaded discussions.
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Peter Bowyer phpmailinglists@gmail.com
wrote:I have now been contacted by 2 people who tried multiple times to join this
mailing list and cannot.It took me 5 weeks for my signup to work. During that time I emailed the
different @php.net mailboxes related to infrastructure and/or the web and
received no response. Eventually I managed to sign up - once I created this
brand-new Gmail account. The signup form is unreliable.There are people wanting to take part in discussions who can't.
It took me a very long time to get signed up to the mailing list as well,
so I poked around on twitter back then to see if anyone could help me. I've
tried several times over the timespan of at least a year and I never
received a follow up after using the form. I'm not sure what changed, it
just worked eventually. I'm also still receiving a bunch of messages from
the mailing list in my spam folder (gmail), and there's not much I can do
about it. I would love to see a system replacing the mailing list, one
where we can reliably use things like markdown to properly quote and have
code blocks and have at least semi-decent threaded discussions.
A fix[1] has been applied in hopes to resolve the mailing list sign-up issue. For those who had issues with signing up for the mailing list would you be willing to please test the signup process[2]?
If yes and you still experience a problem, could you please report the issue to php-webmaster@lists.php.net mailto:php-webmaster@lists.php.net list, or if you don't want to sign up for that list you could please email me off-list so I could look into the continued problem and communicate about it on the webmaster list for you?
Thank you in advance.
-Mike
[1] https://github.com/php/web-php/pull/426 
[2] https://www.php.net/mailing-lists.php