Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:115510 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 83895 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2021 07:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2021 07:19:42 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 443981804D1 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 00:44:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-il1-f176.google.com (mail-il1-f176.google.com [209.85.166.176]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 00:44:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-il1-f176.google.com with SMTP id j5so18395009ilk.3 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 00:44:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=PJj+CQz+H4TR4jItsXOJVggxjsGdYFOYz8xO87fR01A=; b=usQBFxe6Yz9Eou12YlRW7QpWTae3HrtMmKwWvU7LCub581qoQMQSkxf7l3cr0Fxfri s3V1LFu8g/90vYqDF8Ro0qmDbIEFQs2uwDvEaqDud2vKPGJpgp/xGSpkmPzoN04igryX Hh0sz2OGgLFp469K6sgh/EyHpcmr76SFPTnA0yk/fmYE6/PitoA2DppauyvmvU9xp9wu UpipjOzlpNAt/D+LkJgIdp4E9FuS56t9wzwB0vEP13ctC4emFZbfvig+yYVTWCb1+Ppk 1JgbiTMWr0OoUGa/pa6yTz8JaEhWVAcBmKkTFfFsrm/Bbx6X8bXqm3oYGZPNi4F4VSQQ nq6w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=PJj+CQz+H4TR4jItsXOJVggxjsGdYFOYz8xO87fR01A=; b=b1OuHpt2AJXCNa3lCkiFz0mvYrEfUu3y2OYphcrvfvKm8M59WI9Rf98Yj/61PXIbcN NIumpNONWY4nT9pwTL+T44WqZNPNDM9Sd6YC3t+9aZat2fxacowCIe60bf9vZscNk3pe xR9KeOX4+YwSmq7Z4pmIEnFe5Z62wOsDLMkeyEicdSDf6pgDnpAxE0ZW9ZJel1hkm/aa 3bgqGImA6K5s4CeV/dAZ4j8vyiLQyRQSx4omg4zcYcW1WD8RlhbEXLUnv6D1NPH7zDcq 0JEwjNyqcEQG3TyU58yuaP4QlM8ws6QAb5ust5SAgvZCPI1BY6bmpafkZZbfcfbfitdK hT7Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531NtZuqIQjbgk5uEZOWaVWJnxpHNn60+EXfe1VG+75CTCH5Jlrc NFx/omO2o2BvcWslJNoWcH6KUh6GqZEWYUjfO5Y= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxBoWCTRkFr8HRQ/EulVFfiTc0FIv5RZaVBFwnUGSc6SdFk/z6OD76TOi5B+EbEBMMFX+AQhL79iLNUxKJ8Kpk= X-Received: by 2002:a92:d07:: with SMTP id 7mr19061635iln.114.1626767092437; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 00:44:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 09:44:26 +0200 Message-ID: To: Peter Bowyer Cc: Bob Magic , PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ad580705c7893ac2" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Problems with the mailing list [was: Re: [PHP-DEV] Request for karma to vote on RFCs] From: kjarli@gmail.com (Lynn) --000000000000ad580705c7893ac2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 9:33 AM Peter Bowyer wrote: > I have now been contacted by 2 people who tried multiple times to join this > mailing list and cannot. > > It took me 5 weeks for my signup to work. During that time I emailed the > different @php.net mailboxes related to infrastructure and/or the web and > received no response. Eventually I managed to sign up - once I created this > brand-new Gmail account. The signup form is unreliable. > > There are people wanting to take part in discussions who can't. > > It took me a very long time to get signed up to the mailing list as well, so I poked around on twitter back then to see if anyone could help me. I've tried several times over the timespan of at least a year and I never received a follow up after using the form. I'm not sure what changed, it just worked eventually. I'm also still receiving a bunch of messages from the mailing list in my spam folder (gmail), and there's not much I can do about it. I would love to see a system replacing the mailing list, one where we can reliably use things like markdown to properly quote and have code blocks and have at least semi-decent threaded discussions. --000000000000ad580705c7893ac2--