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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 12:53:51 -0500
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Subject: Fwd: [PHP-DEV] Problems with the mailing list [was: Re: [PHP-DEV]
 Request for karma to vote on RFCs]
From: tiffany.k.taylor@gmail.com (Tiffany Taylor)

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Forwarding this to internals because I mistakenly replied to an email
directly.

On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 2:33 AM Peter Bowyer <phpmailinglists@gmail.com>
wrote:

> > > Currently there are people with voting permissions that do vote, yet =
do
> not interact with RFCs or the mailing list.
>
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2021 at 23:34, Bob Magic <bob@majdak.net> wrote:
>
> > i'd say we need something more modern and transparent than this old
> mailing
> > list, but i completely lack a suggestion that isn't somehow worse than
> what
> > we got now in terms of massively multiplayer discussion.
> >
>
> I have now been contacted by 2 people who tried multiple times to join th=
is
> mailing list and cannot.
>
> It took me 5 weeks for my signup to work. During that time I emailed the
> different @php.net mailboxes related to infrastructure and/or the web and
> received no response. Eventually I managed to sign up - once I created th=
is
> brand-new Gmail account. The signup form is unreliable.
>
> There are people wanting to take part in discussions who can't.
>
> I volunteer to help sort this. Can someone who knows the PHP group
> procedures please tell me the next steps?
>
> Peter
>

Disclaimer: I am scanning a previous conversation while composing this
email. It has been a month since I dived into this code, so this email may
contain some inaccuracies, I ask for your patience in that regard.

It was noted off-list that there are difficulties with subscribing to
mailing lists. Ramsey and I looked at the code about a month ago,
discovered that there are some broken bits around
https://github.com/php/web-php/blob/7d6e63b6163e1991077822b71f7ba561e517128=
6/mailing-lists.php#L66-L89
and
https://github.com/php/web-master/blob/819070de35a7b167766d3d64cbb0b450327e=
ed7b/public/entry/subscribe.php#L9-L14.
He was able to get the subscription code working locally while running 7.4,
but the code does not work on 8.0, due to removed functions.
See also: https://github.com/php/web-php/blob/master/include/layout.inc#L25=
1
, https://github.com/php/web-php/blob/master/mailing-lists.php#L99.

With that said, I want to invest time to resolve this, but I am currently
working on other things, and thus haven't had time to volunteer to fix it.
I can only speak for myself, but if someone wanted to take upon themselves
to resolve this, I would greatly appreciate it.

Also, note that subscription via email is possible:
> If you experience trouble subscribing via the form above, you may also
subscribe by sending an email to the list server. To subscribe to any
mailing list, send an email to listname-subscribe@lists.php.net
(substituting the name of the list for listname =E2=80=94 for example,
php-general-subscribe@lists.php.net).

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