C# properties vs. accessors RFC View as Markdown

Hi Steve,

2. C# has no issetter/unsetter.

IMO customizing these functions is completely unneeded for the vast
majority of use cases and could be replaced by simpler logic:
isset($this->prop) calls the getter and compares to NULL;
unset($this->prop) passes NULL to the setter.

I tend to agree here- I don't see a ton of value in isset/unset accessor
functions.

3. C# has no auto-implementations.

IMO auto implementations have some value removing boilerplate, but we
should not make them violate #1. We could have the property syntax
specify what field to use for underlying storage, or simply conclude
that the boilerplate is worth the clarity.

Not completely true:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb384054.aspx

I think the path forward is to determine how we can serve the same goals
as this RFC, but retain the conceptual simplicity of the C#
implementation and maybe syntax that strays less from current PHP.

I have some ideas that I could start forging into an RFC. Consider this:

class Foo {
private $_bar;
public function get bar { return $this->_bar; }
public function set bar { $this->_bar = $value; }
}

This is too similar to what we have today:

class Foo {
private $_bar;
public function getBar() { return $this->_bar; }
public function setBar($value) { $this->_bar = $value; }
}

Advantages I see over the RFC:

• It's clearer that the accessors map to regular methods, and you know
  how to control visibility of methods and how they're inherited.
• It's clearer $bar doesn't exist as a property, and it will never show
  up in state inspection.
• You know $_bar is a plain PHP property, and you can initialize it
  directly in the constructor; we don't need an "initter".
• There are no guards/proxies/shadow property to think about

Personally, I don't see why 'default' can't be used:

class Foo {
public $bar { get; set; default 5; }
}

This solves the var_dump() problem, and if people want dynamic get
returning something other than the property/field value, so be it.

C# does indeed have an internal field per property though, even if it is
an anonymous backing field.

-ralph

First of all, I think the functionality provided by Clint and Nikita's RFC [1] is in demand and would be an asset to PHP, but I also think it can repackaged more simply.

People are comparing the RFC to C# [2], but while they look similar, C# has a simpler implementation we should learn from.

1. C# draws a firm line between property and field, keeping both concepts simple.

A "field" is like a PHP property. There's no more to understand.

A "property" is simply a set of functions emulating a field, and $value is available in the setter body. There's no more to understand.

Importantly, I think, the property takes the place of a field; there's never a "shadow" field of the same name to think about. The obvious downside is you must use a distinctly-named field for storage, but the upside is conceptual and behavioral simplicity. There's no need for "guarding" mechanisms and rules about where "$this->prop" will mean field access or trigger getter/setter; we know there is no field "prop", period.

As Sharif Ramadan pointed out, it also makes state snapshots clearer as there is no value stored under "prop" to potentially confuse. Under the RFC, every property would show up as a field even if the accessors didn't use that field.

2. C# has no issetter/unsetter.

IMO customizing these functions is completely unneeded for the vast majority of use cases and could be replaced by simpler logic: isset($this->prop) calls the getter and compares to NULL; unset($this->prop) passes NULL to the setter.

3. C# has no auto-implementations.

IMO auto implementations have some value removing boilerplate, but we should not make them violate #1. We could have the property syntax specify what field to use for underlying storage, or simply conclude that the boilerplate is worth the clarity.

I think the path forward is to determine how we can serve the same goals as this RFC, but retain the conceptual simplicity of the C# implementation and maybe syntax that strays less from current PHP.

I have some ideas that I could start forging into an RFC. Consider this:

class Foo {
private $_bar;
public function get bar { return $this->_bar; }
public function set bar { $this->_bar = $value; }
}

Advantages I see over the RFC:

• It's clearer that the accessors map to regular methods, and you know how to control visibility of methods and how they're inherited.
• It's clearer $bar doesn't exist as a property, and it will never show up in state inspection.
• You know $_bar is a plain PHP property, and you can initialize it directly in the constructor; we don't need an "initter".
• There are no guards/proxies/shadow property to think about

As for type-hinting, I think that could be achieved by a separate, simpler mechanism: type-hinting the properties.

class Foo {
private Bar? $_bar;
}

$_bar is a regular property, but which can only be set to a Bar or to null ("?" implies nullable). That gives you simple typed properties (useful and simpler to understand without accessors), but also suggests how to combine these to get "typed accessors":

class Foo {
// settable anywhere
public Bar $bar;

// "read only"
protected Baz? $_baz;
public function get baz { return $this->_baz; }
}

Down the road we could further address how to shorten this syntax but while keeping it clear that accessors are just functions and properties are just value stores.

I'd just like to point out the fact that RFC v1.1 from a year ago was exactly as above but people wanted all of these other features. They were not a property, they had no "guarding", no unset, isset, etc.

The original RFC that was exactly as c# had it, nobody liked it.

It was changed to its current incarnation because it now mimics exactly what everyone is use to with __get(), etc.

[1] https://wiki.php.net/rfc/propertygetsetsyntax-v1.2
[2] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/x9fsa0sw(v=vs.80).aspx

Steve Clay

http://www.mrclay.org/