PHP 5.x Documentend End Of Life Dates

12 years ago by hakre — view source

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I have some simple questions about PHP 5.x End Of Life (EOL) dates:

PHP 5.0 - Is there some official news-item or changelog entry on php.net that says at which date PHP 5.0 went End Of Life?

PHP 5.2 - Does the "End Of Support" that was announced twice for PHP 5.2 has the same meaning as "End Of Life"?

Is there a reason why the naming has been changed btw? PHP 4 for example was declared End Of Life but it looks like it wasn't much of a mode to use that terminology until the 2011 RFC about the release process came to life.

And what about EOL of PHP 5.3, is there a date? According to the new release process it is already EOL because it's over three years now, however the RFC vote was in that lifetime so I assume that probably there is some transistion phase. If so, is there a planned date? Any thoughts/plans about PHP 5.3 EOL?

Cheers

-- hakre

12 years ago by Kris Craig — view source

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I have some simple questions about PHP 5.x End Of Life (EOL) dates:

PHP 5.0 - Is there some official news-item or changelog entry on php.netthat says at which date PHP 5.0 went End Of Life?

PHP 5.2 - Does the "End Of Support" that was announced twice for PHP 5.2
has the same meaning as "End Of Life"?

Is there a reason why the naming has been changed btw? PHP 4 for example
was declared End Of Life but it looks like it wasn't much of a mode to use
that terminology until the 2011 RFC about the release process came to life.

And what about EOL of PHP 5.3, is there a date? According to the new
release process it is already EOL because it's over three years now,
however the RFC vote was in that lifetime so I assume that probably there
is some transistion phase. If so, is there a planned date? Any
thoughts/plans about PHP 5.3 EOL?

Cheers

-- hakre

As far as I know (somebody please correct me if I'm wrong!), we provide
legacy support to the previous tenths version increment only. In a
practical sense, I think that essentially means EOL. Again, somebody
please correct me if I'm mistaken, but I haven't seen any 5.2.x commits/etc
since 5.4 was introduced. It's no longer on the main downloads page.
Whether it's "officially" EOL or not I'm not sure, but in a practical
sense I think it basically is.

--Kris

12 years ago by keisial@gmail.com — view source

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I have some simple questions about PHP 5.x End Of Life (EOL) dates:

PHP 5.0 - Is there some official news-item or changelog entry on php.netthat says at which date PHP 5.0 went End Of Life?

PHP 5.2 - Does the "End Of Support" that was announced twice for PHP 5.2
has the same meaning as "End Of Life"?

Is there a reason why the naming has been changed btw? PHP 4 for example
was declared End Of Life but it looks like it wasn't much of a mode to use
that terminology until the 2011 RFC about the release process came to life.

And what about EOL of PHP 5.3, is there a date? According to the new
release process it is already EOL because it's over three years now,
however the RFC vote was in that lifetime so I assume that probably there
is some transistion phase. If so, is there a planned date? Any
thoughts/plans about PHP 5.3 EOL?

Cheers

-- hakre

As far as I know (somebody please correct me if I'm wrong!), we provide
legacy support to the previous tenths version increment only. In a
practical sense, I think that essentially means EOL. Again, somebody
please correct me if I'm mistaken, but I haven't seen any 5.2.x commits/etc
since 5.4 was introduced. It's no longer on the main downloads page.
Whether it's "officially" EOL or not I'm not sure, but in a practical
sense I think it basically is.

--Kris
There should be a page like http://www.php.net/ancient-versions listing the
versions with the date they went EOL and how much time has passed since
them.
Some scary warnings about "Known remote code execution vulnerabe" may be
good too.
The goal? To serve as single page where you point people when to
convince them
to upgrade.

12 years ago by Kris Craig — view source

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I have some simple questions about PHP 5.x End Of Life (EOL) dates:

PHP 5.0 - Is there some official news-item or changelog entry on
php.netthat says at which date PHP 5.0 went End Of Life?

PHP 5.2 - Does the "End Of Support" that was announced twice for PHP 5.2
has the same meaning as "End Of Life"?

Is there a reason why the naming has been changed btw? PHP 4 for example
was declared End Of Life but it looks like it wasn't much of a mode to
use
that terminology until the 2011 RFC about the release process came to
life.

And what about EOL of PHP 5.3, is there a date? According to the new
release process it is already EOL because it's over three years now,
however the RFC vote was in that lifetime so I assume that probably
there
is some transistion phase. If so, is there a planned date? Any
thoughts/plans about PHP 5.3 EOL?

Cheers

-- hakre

As far as I know (somebody please correct me if I'm wrong!), we provide
legacy support to the previous tenths version increment only. In a
practical sense, I think that essentially means EOL. Again, somebody
please correct me if I'm mistaken, but I haven't seen any 5.2.x
commits/etc
since 5.4 was introduced. It's no longer on the main downloads page.
Whether it's "officially" EOL or not I'm not sure, but in a practical
sense I think it basically is.

--Kris
There should be a page like http://www.php.net/ancient-versions listing
the
versions with the date they went EOL and how much time has passed since
them.
Some scary warnings about "Known remote code execution vulnerabe" may be
good too.
The goal? To serve as single page where you point people when to
convince them
to upgrade.

+9999 =)

--Kris

12 years ago by Larry Garfield — view source

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There should be a page like http://www.php.net/ancient-versions listing
the
versions with the date they went EOL and how much time has passed since
them.
Some scary warnings about "Known remote code execution vulnerabe" may be
good too.
The goal? To serve as single page where you point people when to
convince them
to upgrade.

+9999 =)

--Kris

Speaking as someone who has to deal with vendors that are still being
stubborn about upgrading from PHP 5.2, and who was the lead organizer of
the GoPHP5 project years ago, dear god please yes!

--Larry Garfield

12 years ago by Ferenc Kovacs — view source

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I have some simple questions about PHP 5.x End Of Life (EOL) dates:

PHP 5.0 - Is there some official news-item or changelog entry on
php.netthat says at which date PHP 5.0 went End Of Life?

PHP 5.2 - Does the "End Of Support" that was announced twice for PHP 5.2
has the same meaning as "End Of Life"?

Is there a reason why the naming has been changed btw? PHP 4 for example
was declared End Of Life but it looks like it wasn't much of a mode to
use
that terminology until the 2011 RFC about the release process came to
life.

And what about EOL of PHP 5.3, is there a date? According to the new
release process it is already EOL because it's over three years now,
however the RFC vote was in that lifetime so I assume that probably
there
is some transistion phase. If so, is there a planned date? Any
thoughts/plans about PHP 5.3 EOL?

Cheers

-- hakre

As far as I know (somebody please correct me if I'm wrong!), we provide
legacy support to the previous tenths version increment only. In a
practical sense, I think that essentially means EOL. Again, somebody
please correct me if I'm mistaken, but I haven't seen any 5.2.x
commits/etc
since 5.4 was introduced. It's no longer on the main downloads page.
Whether it's "officially" EOL or not I'm not sure, but in a practical
sense I think it basically is.

--Kris
There should be a page like http://www.php.net/ancient-versions listing
the
versions with the date they went EOL and how much time has passed since
them.
Some scary warnings about "Known remote code execution vulnerabe" may be
good too.
The goal? To serve as single page where you point people when to
convince them
to upgrade.

what should be the EOL date/version for the 5.2 branch?
we released multiple versions after the first EOL announcement.

--
Ferenc Kovács
@Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu

12 years ago by Rasmus Lerdorf — view source

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I have some simple questions about PHP 5.x End Of Life (EOL) dates:

PHP 5.0 - Is there some official news-item or changelog entry on php.net that says at which date PHP 5.0 went End Of Life?

PHP 5.2 - Does the "End Of Support" that was announced twice for PHP 5.2 has the same meaning as "End Of Life"?

Is there a reason why the naming has been changed btw? PHP 4 for example was declared End Of Life but it looks like it wasn't much of a mode to use that terminology until the 2011 RFC about the release process came to life.

And what about EOL of PHP 5.3, is there a date? According to the new release process it is already EOL because it's over three years now, however the RFC vote was in that lifetime so I assume that probably there is some transistion phase. If so, is there a planned date? Any thoughts/plans about PHP 5.3 EOL?

No date for 5.3 yet. Depends how development goes on the next version
after 5.4. EOL announcements are in the release announcements. 5.2 EOL
was announced here: http://www.php.net/archive/2010.php#id2010-07-22-1

-Rasmus

12 years ago by hakre — view source

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No date for 5.3 yet. Depends how development goes on the next version
after 5.4. EOL announcements are in the release announcements. 5.2 EOL
was announced here: http://www.php.net/archive/2010.php#id2010-07-22-1

Yes, I've seen that with release announcements often (but not always) a
(more or less concrete) statement was given for support, but the naming
is far from being consistent. For example, PHP 5.2 has multiple onces',
three in total.

Actually the questions I asked initially were born because of reading
those announcements.

So if I may summarize based on my own observations and your feedback:

* PHP 5.0 has no EOL date (because there was never a release
           announcement with an EOL),
* PHP 5.1 has one EOL date (2006-11-02 "Obsoletion"),
* PHP 5.2 has three EOL dates (2010-07-22 "End Of Active Support";
           2010-12-09 and 2010-12-16 "End Of Support"),
* PHP 5.3 has none yet (TBA) and
* PHP 5.4 also has none yet even though the accepted release
           procedure[1] suggests it has to have one already
           (2015-03-01 "EOL").

Does this summary for EOL dates of 5.x versions reflect the current
status quo appropriately?

And what are the plans to practically introduce the accepted release
procedure? I ask because it is documented and announced to be voted
into order but the feedback you have given so far suggests it is not
for the End Of Life dates. So I think this can benefit from some
clarification, too.

Thank you for your ongoing support

-- hakre

12 years ago by Kris Craig — view source

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There should be a page like http://www.php.net/ancient-versions listing
the
versions with the date they went EOL and how much time has passed since
them.
Some scary warnings about "Known remote code execution vulnerabe" may be
good too.
The goal? To serve as single page where you point people when to
convince them
to upgrade.

Feel free to submit a patch against http://www.php.net/releases/

First we'll need to consolidate the information regarding when each version
was EOL'd. Are they all in news announcements, or are they scattered
between announcements, listserv threads, etc? If we're going to do this,
we may as well cover as many of the /releases entries as possible;
hopefully we'll be able to find the dates for most of them.

Any ideas? I'd be happy to do the actual grunt work but I'm not sure where
to look, particularly for older 4.x stuff.

--Kris

12 years ago by Adam Harvey — view source

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First we'll need to consolidate the information regarding when each version
was EOL'd. Are they all in news announcements, or are they scattered
between announcements, listserv threads, etc? If we're going to do this,
we may as well cover as many of the /releases entries as possible;
hopefully we'll be able to find the dates for most of them.

Any ideas? I'd be happy to do the actual grunt work but I'm not sure where
to look, particularly for older 4.x stuff.

I'm having a look at this now — we have enough information in the
release array to make this work pretty much automatically, I think.

Should have something up to look at tonight.

Adam

12 years ago by Adam Harvey — view source

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First we'll need to consolidate the information regarding when each version
was EOL'd. Are they all in news announcements, or are they scattered
between announcements, listserv threads, etc? If we're going to do this,
we may as well cover as many of the /releases entries as possible;
hopefully we'll be able to find the dates for most of them.

Any ideas? I'd be happy to do the actual grunt work but I'm not sure where
to look, particularly for older 4.x stuff.

I'm having a look at this now — we have enough information in the
release array to make this work pretty much automatically, I think.

Should have something up to look at tonight.

Or even this afternoon. :)

I've added http://php.net/eol (coming soon to a mirror near you; it's
not up yet): at present, it's pretty bare bones, just listing the date
of the last release on each unsupported branch, and with an optional
notes field. It's not linked from anywhere yet — I have a patch that
will add it to the sidebar on /releases, as Rasmus suggested, but
let's get the EOL page itself worked out first.

Thoughts? (Do we even want to auto-fill this from $OLDRELEASES, or
would we rather have a manual array?) Specific notes on
vulnerabilities to add to branches? Better versions of the copy in the
initial blurb?

Adam

12 years ago by Peter Cowburn — view source

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Thoughts? (Do we even want to auto-fill this from $OLDRELEASES, or
would we rather have a manual array?) Specific notes on
vulnerabilities to add to branches? Better versions of the copy in the
initial blurb?

Why is this information not just displayed on "Unsupported Historical
Releases" (/releases)? Do you have plans for the EOL page that
wouldn't be suitable for the other one? My worry is spreading this
information across multiple places, when we already have a very
detailed page about unsupported versions. The X.Y version table could
be listed at the top of /releases to give a quick summary, before the
detail for each individual version listed chronologically. We could
add more notes like the existing "Support for PHP 4 has been
discontinued since 2007-12-31." at the appropriate places in that
list.

12 years ago by Adam Harvey — view source

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Thoughts? (Do we even want to auto-fill this from $OLDRELEASES, or
would we rather have a manual array?) Specific notes on
vulnerabilities to add to branches? Better versions of the copy in the
initial blurb?

Why is this information not just displayed on "Unsupported Historical
Releases" (/releases)? Do you have plans for the EOL page that
wouldn't be suitable for the other one? My worry is spreading this
information across multiple places, when we already have a very
detailed page about unsupported versions. The X.Y version table could
be listed at the top of /releases to give a quick summary, before the
detail for each individual version listed chronologically. We could
add more notes like the existing "Support for PHP 4 has been
discontinued since 2007-12-31." at the appropriate places in that
list.

That could definitely work as well. I've done it as a separate page
because that was the suggestion from Kris and Larry (and because I
wasn't really sure how it would come together to start with), but
there's no particular reason it couldn't be integrated into /releases.
It probably is short enough.

Adam

12 years ago by Lester Caine — view source

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Adam Harvey wrote:

Thoughts? (Do we even want to auto-fill this from $OLDRELEASES, or
would we rather have a manual array?) Specific notes on
vulnerabilities to add to branches? Better versions of the copy in the
initial blurb?

A little academic now, but I was convinced that 5.1 had some more official
releases? 5.1.6 had a number of bugs that prevent Firebird/Interbase working and
we had 2.1.7 running which fixed the problem. Was that never released
officially? Academic as I say, and everything was moved to 5.2 quite quickly as
it rolled out without any problems and removed some of the problems created by
5.1 itself - such as the date code clashes ;)

Can I make a request for an additional column which links to the relevant
migration guide. That would at least be a start, but I'm currently trying to
work through 5.3 and 5.4 migration guides to see if they DO have fixes for the
'problems' that are coming up on porting code from PHP5.2 ...

The statement "Most improvements in PHP 5.3.x have no impact on existing code."
should perhaps be augmented with a least some reference to ensuring that the
.ini settings are compatible with PHP5.2 code? Is there a document that shows
what settings .ini should have to maintain compatibility? I could not find
anything suitable although everything is documented somewhere.

I think one thing that is preventing many ISP's switching is the removal of
register_globals ? Heck I still have code which will not work without
register_globals and the time it would take to rework that code is just another
job I don't have time for :( The fact that 5.3 still supports this is given as
the reason for not switching to 5.4 just yet. Not a problem for this list
perhaps, but many of the end users probably have no idea how to fix this
particular problem as they are using third part code that relies on it?

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12 years ago by hakre — view source

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I've added http://php.net/eol

Thank you. For PHP 5.x I had created a blog post which is not that complete just reflects the work on scanning through the news items:

http://hakre.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/historic-php-end-of-life-dates/

I started this to create a timeline graphic, a first draft is:

http://i.stack.imgur.com/HYKZm.png

which in turn made me asking questions here for the parts that were not clear to me.

-- hakre

PHP 5.x Documentend End Of Life Dates

-- Lester Caine - G8HFL

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