Hi,
I've just read the news about the Zend acquisition:
http://www.zend.com/en/resources/news-and-events/newsroom/press/3683_rogue-wave-software-acquires-enterprise-php-leader-zend-acquisition-broadens-enterprise-strength-across-top-five-development-languages
I'm curious how will this change the License of the Zend Engine.
If anybody not familiar with the situation, the Zend Engine has it's own
license, the Zend License:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHP_License#Zend_Engine_License and that
refers to the Zend Technologies and zend.com everywhere.
I would like to ask Zeev/Andi about what does the acquisition mean for the
php project and if they already have a plan about what to do with the Zend
Engine license in the future.
ps: just noticed that http://www.zend.com/license/2_00.txt is a 404 even
thought that is linked from php-src/Zend/* and from the wikipedia page on
the Zend Engine License.
--
Ferenc Kovács
@Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu
ps: just noticed that http://www.zend.com/license/2_00.txt is a 404 even
thought that is linked from php-src/Zend/* and from the wikipedia page on
the Zend Engine License.
Indeed, the 2.0 license went dark between 6-June-2014 1 and 17-Nov-2014
2. SPDX has a copy 3.
Hi,
I've just read the news about the Zend acquisition:
http://www.zend.com/en/resources/news-and-events/newsroom/press/3683_rogue-wave-software-acquires-enterprise-php-leader-zend-acquisition-broadens-enterprise-strength-across-top-five-development-languages
I'm curious how will this change the License of the Zend Engine.
If anybody not familiar with the situation, the Zend Engine has it's own
license, the Zend License:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHP_License#Zend_Engine_License and that
refers to the Zend Technologies and zend.com everywhere.
I would like to ask Zeev/Andi about what does the acquisition mean for the
php project and if they already have a plan about what to do with the Zend
Engine license in the future.ps: just noticed that http://www.zend.com/license/2_00.txt is a 404 even
thought that is linked from php-src/Zend/* and from the wikipedia page on
the Zend Engine License.
The license cannot be changed without approvals of every contributor
to date. I very much doubt they will. And to make that point clear for
me, if they do and come with anything but the PHP license, I can
already say that I won't accept it.
Cheers,
Pierre
@pierrejoye | http://www.libgd.org
The license cannot be changed without approvals of every contributor
to date. I very much doubt they will. And to make that point clear for
me, if they do and come with anything but the PHP license, I can
already say that I won't accept it.
First, a license change may be necessary from their side in case "Zend Technologies Ltd" ceases to exist.
Second, never say never. The PHP and Zend licenses are just BSD licenses with a few more or less irrelevant (to the code, the project, and its future) additional sections about the use of the word "PHP" in product names and that you must under no circumstance feed an Elephpant spinach on the last Friday of the month or something like that.
So a switch to "pure" BSD, for example, probably wouldn't be a big deal, even to you, would it?
David
PHP won't die!
http://ctankersley.com/2015/10/06/zends-acquisition-doesnt-matter/
PHP, and the Zend Engine, currently follow the PHP License. There's a line
at the top though that has people worried:
Copyright (c) 1999-2006 Zend Technologies Ltd. All rights reserved.
Zend holds the copyright to the Zend Engine, and thus the ability to set
the license on the Zend Engine. What's the Zend Engine? It's the thing that
makes PHP... well, PHP. It turns our written code into something servers
understand, and makes things work. The only major player that compares to
it is HHVM (yes, there are others, but HHVM is the only one I've seen with
real traction).
So, as copyright holder, Zend/RogueWave is well within their rights to
change the license to something more permissive, or lock it down. It is
their choice.
If they do decide to do that, they can't change it retroactively. The PHP
Community as a whole can continue to use previous versions of the Zend
Engine, as long as they continue to follow the PHP License, and ignore the
"new" Zend Engine. Life would find a way.
There's precedent for that in fact, as when Zend suddenly showed up with
phpng, there was some talk about not using it. We're a fickle group, and
PHP internals could, and would, move away from the Zend Engine if needed.
We'd also gladly continue to use older versions of Zend Engine before the
license change.
Worse case, we're all switching to HHVM and we have a few minor bugs to
figure out.
The license cannot be changed without approvals of every contributor
to date. I very much doubt they will. And to make that point clear for
me, if they do and come with anything but the PHP license, I can
already say that I won't accept it.First, a license change may be necessary from their side in case "Zend
Technologies Ltd" ceases to exist.Second, never say never. The PHP and Zend licenses are just BSD licenses
with a few more or less irrelevant (to the code, the project, and its
future) additional sections about the use of the word "PHP" in product
names and that you must under no circumstance feed an Elephpant spinach on
the last Friday of the month or something like that.So a switch to "pure" BSD, for example, probably wouldn't be a big deal,
even to you, would it?David
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PHP/Zend/JavaScript/jQuery/NodeJSLinux User
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I updated the blog post to better explain why changing the license would be
hard and would probably never happen.
-Chris
PHP won't die!
http://ctankersley.com/2015/10/06/zends-acquisition-doesnt-matter/
PHP, and the Zend Engine, currently follow the PHP License. There's a line
at the top though that has people worried:
Copyright (c) 1999-2006 Zend Technologies Ltd. All rights reserved.
Zend holds the copyright to the Zend Engine, and thus the ability to set
the license on the Zend Engine. What's the Zend Engine? It's the thing
that
makes PHP... well, PHP. It turns our written code into something servers
understand, and makes things work. The only major player that compares to
it is HHVM (yes, there are others, but HHVM is the only one I've seen
with
real traction).
So, as copyright holder, Zend/RogueWave is well within their rights to
change the license to something more permissive, or lock it down. It is
their choice.
If they do decide to do that, they can't change it retroactively. The PHP
Community as a whole can continue to use previous versions of the Zend
Engine, as long as they continue to follow the PHP License, and ignore
the
"new" Zend Engine. Life would find a way.
There's precedent for that in fact, as when Zend suddenly showed up with
phpng, there was some talk about not using it. We're a fickle group, and
PHP internals could, and would, move away from the Zend Engine if needed.
We'd also gladly continue to use older versions of Zend Engine before the
license change.
Worse case, we're all switching to HHVM and we have a few minor bugs to
figure out.The license cannot be changed without approvals of every contributor
to date. I very much doubt they will. And to make that point clear for
me, if they do and come with anything but the PHP license, I can
already say that I won't accept it.First, a license change may be necessary from their side in case "Zend
Technologies Ltd" ceases to exist.Second, never say never. The PHP and Zend licenses are just BSD licenses
with a few more or less irrelevant (to the code, the project, and its
future) additional sections about the use of the word "PHP" in product
names and that you must under no circumstance feed an Elephpant spinach
on
the last Friday of the month or something like that.So a switch to "pure" BSD, for example, probably wouldn't be a big deal,
even to you, would it?David
--
--
Marcel AraujoAnalista de SistemasDesenvolvedor
PHP/Zend/JavaScript/jQuery/NodeJSLinux User
#490101http://www.twitter.com/marcelarauj0
http://www.twitter.com/marcelarauj0http://blog.marcelaraujo.me
http://blog.marcelaraujo.me/http://br.linkedin.com/in/marcelaraujo
http://br.linkedin.com/in/marcelaraujo
The license cannot be changed without approvals of every contributor
to date. I very much doubt they will. And to make that point clear for
me, if they do and come with anything but the PHP license, I can
already say that I won't accept it.First, a license change may be necessary from their side in case "Zend
Technologies Ltd" ceases to exist.Second, never say never. The PHP and Zend licenses are just BSD licenses
with a few more or less irrelevant (to the code, the project, and its
future) additional sections about the use of the word "PHP" in product
names and that you must under no circumstance feed an Elephpant spinach on
the last Friday of the month or something like that.So a switch to "pure" BSD, for example, probably wouldn't be a big deal,
even to you, would it?
Last word on the matter for now (because it does not matter much ;), yes
it will be a big deal. I am strongly in favor of one come license for the
core.
I've just read the news about the Zend acquisition:
http://www.zend.com/en/resources/news-and-
events/newsroom/press/3683_rogue-wave-software-acquires-enterprise-
php-leader-zend-acquisition-broadens-enterprise-strength-across-top-five-
development-languages
I'm curious how will this change the License of the Zend Engine.
If anybody not familiar with the situation, the Zend Engine has it's own
license, the Zend License:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHP_License#Zend_Engine_License and that
refers to the Zend Technologies and zend.com http://zend.com/
everywhere.I would like to ask Zeev/Andi about what does the acquisition mean for the
php project and if they already have a plan about what to do with the Zend
Engine license in the future.
In a nutshell, there aren't any changes to be expected - if anything we'll
probably be able to invest more into developing the engine in the future.
We're not going to change the license. Note that there's also a grant to
the PHP project that allows the use & distribution of the Zend Engine under
the PHP license when it's bundled with PHP - so PHP is protected no matter
what happens.
ps: just noticed that http://www.zend.com/license/2_00.txt is a 404 even
thought that is linked from php-src/Zend/* and from the wikipedia page on
the Zend Engine License.
Fixed - thanks!
Zeev