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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 14:23:36 -0400
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To: Marcel Araujo <ceceldada@gmail.com>, PHP Internals <internals@lists.php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Rogue Wave Software acquires enterprise PHP leader Zend
From: chris@ctankersley.com (Chris Tankersley)

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I updated the blog post to better explain why changing the license would be
hard and would probably never happen.

-Chris

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Marcel Araujo <ceceldada@gmail.com> wrote:

> PHP won't die!
>
> http://ctankersley.com/2015/10/06/zends-acquisition-doesnt-matter/
>
> PHP, and the Zend Engine, currently follow the PHP License. There's a line
> > at the top though that has people worried:
> > Copyright (c) 1999-2006 Zend Technologies Ltd. All rights reserved.
> > Zend holds the copyright to the Zend Engine, and thus the ability to set
> > the license on the Zend Engine. What's the Zend Engine? It's the thing
> that
> > makes PHP... well, PHP. It turns our written code into something servers
> > understand, and makes things work. The only major player that compares to
> > it is HHVM (yes, there are others, but HHVM is the only one I've seen
> with
> > real traction).
> > So, as copyright holder, Zend/RogueWave is well within their rights to
> > change the license to something more permissive, or lock it down. It is
> > their choice.
> > If they do decide to do that, they can't change it retroactively. The PHP
> > Community as a whole can continue to use previous versions of the Zend
> > Engine, as long as they continue to follow the PHP License, and ignore
> the
> > "new" Zend Engine. Life would find a way.
> > There's precedent for that in fact, as when Zend suddenly showed up with
> > phpng, there was some talk about not using it. We're a fickle group, and
> > PHP internals could, and would, move away from the Zend Engine if needed.
> > We'd also gladly continue to use older versions of Zend Engine before the
> > license change.
> > Worse case, we're all switching to HHVM and we have a few minor bugs to
> > figure out.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 2:42 PM, David Zuelke <dz@heroku.com> wrote:
>
> > On 06.10.2015, at 19:28, Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The license cannot be changed without approvals of every contributor
> > > to date. I very much doubt they will. And to make that point clear for
> > > me, if they do and come with anything but the PHP license, I can
> > > already say that I won't accept it.
> >
> > First, a license change may be necessary from their side in case "Zend
> > Technologies Ltd" ceases to exist.
> >
> > Second, never say never. The PHP and Zend licenses are just BSD licenses
> > with a few more or less irrelevant (to the code, the project, and its
> > future) additional sections about the use of the word "PHP" in product
> > names and that you must under no circumstance feed an Elephpant spinach
> on
> > the last Friday of the month or something like that.
> >
> > So a switch to "pure" BSD, for example, probably wouldn't be a big deal,
> > even to you, would it?
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
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