RFC Proposal

Hi Tim,

As I already told you, you should proceed step by step. Implementing immutable properties and removing constants is just a too big step. And, IMO, one may pass, while the second one has no chance, especially if you propose to remove PHP constants as well as class constants, without a BC layer. Unfortunately, while we can sometimes break BC, we are not designing from scratch.

Now, if you want to link both features and withdraw the whole, that's your choice, and none will blame you for that. You were asking for opinions that's only mine.

Regards

François

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Tim Bezhashvyly [mailto:tim.bezhashvyly@gmail.com]
Envoyé : mercredi 18 février 2015 10:44
À : PHP Internals
Objet : Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC Proposal

Dear internals,

my RFC was not about dropping just class constants but constants in general.
Now I realise that you are not ready for this and most likely will never be.
Thus I’m withdrawing my proposal.

Regards,
Tim

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Tim Bezhashvyly
<tim.bezhashvyly@gmail.com mailto:tim.bezhashvyly@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear PHP internals,

this is my first RFC proposal and I am not sure if in this email is supposed to
contain all RFC details or just a brief idea .. which is to drop PHP constants in
favour of “final" immutable variables.

I think dropping constant or class constants is a bad idea.
Adding immutable variables may make sense, but you should explain use-
cases, behavior, syntax, implementation details, etc

Thanks. Dmitry.

This is basically only a concept but I can also handle its implementation.

Please let me know if I have to provide any additional details.

Regards,
Tim

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Hi Tim,

Le Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:44:20 +0100, Tim Bezhashvyly
tim.bezhashvyly@gmail.com a écrit:

Dear internals,

my RFC was not about dropping just class constants but constants in
general. Now I realise that you are not ready for this and most likely
will never be. Thus I’m withdrawing my proposal.

Regards,
Tim

I'm totally against dropping the constants. Constants are one of the first
things you learn in PHP, and they are literally everywhere. This would be
a major BC. Even worse than DbC, return types and scalar type hints
altogether. But the immutable variables are interesting.

As other people said, you should proceed step-by-step. I can perfectly see
the immutable variables pass, but not the removal of the constants.

You should explain precisely what you have in mind, so we can discuss it.

Dear internals,

after cooling down and encouraged by François (thank a lot for this) I decided to submit an RFC regarding immutable variable only. Would appreciate if you will grant me some karma to do it.

Regards,
Tim

Dear internals,

my RFC was not about dropping just class constants but constants in general. Now I realise that you are not ready for this and most likely will never be. Thus I’m withdrawing my proposal.

Regards,
Tim

Dear PHP internals,

this is my first RFC proposal and I am not sure if in this email is supposed to contain all RFC details or just a brief idea .. which is to drop PHP constants in favour of “final" immutable variables.

I think dropping constant or class constants is a bad idea.
Adding immutable variables may make sense, but you should explain use-cases, behavior, syntax, implementation details, etc

Thanks. Dmitry.

This is basically only a concept but I can also handle its implementation.

Please let me know if I have to provide any additional details.

Regards,
Tim

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