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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:13:25 +0100
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Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] RFC Proposal
From: francois@php.net (=?utf-8?Q?Fran=C3=A7ois_Laupretre?=)

Hi Tim,

As I already told you, you should proceed step by step. Implementing =
immutable properties *and* removing constants is just a too big step. =
And, IMO, one may pass, while the second one has no chance, especially =
if you propose to remove PHP constants as well as class constants, =
without a BC layer. Unfortunately, while we can sometimes break BC, we =
are not designing from scratch.

Now, if you want to link both features and withdraw the whole, that's =
your choice, and none will blame you for that. You were asking for =
opinions that's only mine.

Regards

Fran=C3=A7ois

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Tim Bezhashvyly [mailto:tim.bezhashvyly@gmail.com]
> Envoy=C3=A9 : mercredi 18 f=C3=A9vrier 2015 10:44
> =C3=80 : PHP Internals
> Objet : Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC Proposal
>=20
> Dear internals,
>=20
> my RFC was not about dropping just class constants but constants in =
general.
> Now I realise that you are not ready for this and most likely will =
never be.
> Thus I=E2=80=99m withdrawing my proposal.
>=20
> Regards,
> Tim
>=20
> > On 18 Feb 2015, at 06:59, Dmitry Stogov <dmitry@zend.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Tim Bezhashvyly
> <tim.bezhashvyly@gmail.com <mailto:tim.bezhashvyly@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Dear PHP internals,
> >
> > this is my first RFC proposal and I am not sure if in this email is =
supposed to
> contain all RFC details or just a brief idea .. which is to drop PHP =
constants in
> favour of =E2=80=9Cfinal" immutable variables.
> >
> > I think dropping constant or class constants is a bad idea.
> > Adding immutable variables may make sense, but you should explain =
use-
> cases, behavior, syntax, implementation details, etc
> >
> > Thanks. Dmitry.
> >
> >
> > This is basically only a concept but I can also handle its =
implementation.
> >
> > Please let me know if I have to provide any additional details.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tim
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