Hi,
After having seen some complaints about ticks being deprecated I'm
wondering if they could be un-deprecated for now.
Ticks are used by the pcntl extension to call signal handlers when
signals are triggered. I added some functions as an alternative, but
this does not covers all use cases (and forces a code change).
When searching bug reports about ticks, one can feel the ticks to be
broken (and this is why they have been deprecated). However, looking in
depth at these bugs and viewing what caused them and how they have been
fixed does not show really bad things about ticks.
Actually one thing is broken (and is marked as such in the
documentation), tick functions do not work in ZTS, this looks fixable.
Any thoughts on removing the deprecation warning for now ? (at least
until a replacement is found).
Sorry for posting this so close to the freeze.
Regards,
Arnaud
Hi,
After having seen some complaints about ticks being deprecated I'm
wondering if they could be un-deprecated for now.Ticks are used by the pcntl extension to call signal handlers when
signals are triggered. I added some functions as an alternative, but
this does not covers all use cases (and forces a code change).When searching bug reports about ticks, one can feel the ticks to be
broken (and this is why they have been deprecated). However, looking
in
depth at these bugs and viewing what caused them and how they have
been
fixed does not show really bad things about ticks.Actually one thing is broken (and is marked as such in the
documentation), tick functions do not work in ZTS, this looks fixable.Any thoughts on removing the deprecation warning for now ? (at least
until a replacement is found).Sorry for posting this so close to the freeze.
So what is it going to be?
I remember everybody was happy when it was deprecated. But I think
everybody ran under the impression that ticks is evil.
Indeed the only open ticket is #47198, which is the doc bug. Or did we
close tons of ticks bugs because it was deprecated?
regards,
Lukas Kahwe Smith
mls@pooteeweet.org
2009/3/25 Lukas Kahwe Smith mls@pooteeweet.org:
Hi,
After having seen some complaints about ticks being deprecated I'm
wondering if they could be un-deprecated for now.Ticks are used by the pcntl extension to call signal handlers when
signals are triggered. I added some functions as an alternative, but
this does not covers all use cases (and forces a code change).When searching bug reports about ticks, one can feel the ticks to be
broken (and this is why they have been deprecated). However, looking in
depth at these bugs and viewing what caused them and how they have been
fixed does not show really bad things about ticks.Actually one thing is broken (and is marked as such in the
documentation), tick functions do not work in ZTS, this looks fixable.Any thoughts on removing the deprecation warning for now ? (at least
until a replacement is found).Sorry for posting this so close to the freeze.
So what is it going to be?
I remember everybody was happy when it was deprecated. But I think everybody
ran under the impression that ticks is evil.
Indeed the only open ticket is #47198, which is the doc bug. Or did we close
tons of ticks bugs because it was deprecated?
If ticks will be fixable in ZTS then I will be +1 for fixing them and
undeprecating them, as its not a new feature but a bug fix.
--
Kalle Sommer Nielsen
kalle@php.net
On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 20:05 +0100, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
Hi,
After having seen some complaints about ticks being deprecated I'm
wondering if they could be un-deprecated for now.Ticks are used by the pcntl extension to call signal handlers when
signals are triggered. I added some functions as an alternative, but
this does not covers all use cases (and forces a code change).When searching bug reports about ticks, one can feel the ticks to be
broken (and this is why they have been deprecated). However, looking
in
depth at these bugs and viewing what caused them and how they have
been
fixed does not show really bad things about ticks.Actually one thing is broken (and is marked as such in the
documentation), tick functions do not work in ZTS, this looks fixable.Any thoughts on removing the deprecation warning for now ? (at least
until a replacement is found).Sorry for posting this so close to the freeze.
So what is it going to be?
I remember everybody was happy when it was deprecated.
The only thread I found about that is here:
http://marc.info/?l=php-internals&m=121442930703916&w=2
Indeed the only open ticket is #47198, which is the doc bug. Or did we
close tons of ticks bugs because it was deprecated?
I've seen one bug marked as wont fix for this reason. I've searched for
"ticks" and looked at the last few pages of bugs, many was really bogus,
or documentation issues. Some was related to register_tick_function()
and are fixed. I seen nothing really bad or related to the engine.
The ZTS issue looks fixable, this is a crash when using
register_tick_function() due to the list of functions not being initialized
in the threads.
Regards,
Arnaud
Hi,
After having seen some complaints about ticks being deprecated I'm
wondering if they could be un-deprecated for now.Ticks are used by the pcntl extension to call signal handlers when
signals are triggered. I added some functions as an alternative, but
this does not covers all use cases (and forces a code change).When searching bug reports about ticks, one can feel the ticks to be
broken (and this is why they have been deprecated). However, looking
in
depth at these bugs and viewing what caused them and how they have
been
fixed does not show really bad things about ticks.Actually one thing is broken (and is marked as such in the
documentation), tick functions do not work in ZTS, this looks
fixable.Any thoughts on removing the deprecation warning for now ? (at least
until a replacement is found).Sorry for posting this so close to the freeze.
So what is it going to be?
I remember everybody was happy when it was deprecated.The only thread I found about that is here:
http://marc.info/?l=php-internals&m=121442930703916&w=2Indeed the only open ticket is #47198, which is the doc bug. Or did
we
close tons of ticks bugs because it was deprecated?I've seen one bug marked as wont fix for this reason. I've searched
for
"ticks" and looked at the last few pages of bugs, many was really
bogus,
or documentation issues. Some was related toregister_tick_function()
and are fixed. I seen nothing really bad or related to the engine.The ZTS issue looks fixable, this is a crash when using
register_tick_function()due to the list of functions not being
initialized
in the threads.
It seems to me like at this point its your call. You are the one that
has dug into this. If you feel you can fix things then I guess its
your call to undeprecate ticks. As for the bogus bugs, this maybe
indicate that we need to do some more work on the documentation. Could
you look into this as well? Overall we should do our dearest to
prevent that even stupid users can crash PHP and if something can too
easily be made to still crash PHP, maybe its something we shouldnt have.
regards,
Lukas Kahwe Smith
mls@pooteeweet.org
Hi,
After having seen some complaints about ticks being deprecated I'm
wondering if they could be un-deprecated for now.Ticks are used by the pcntl extension to call signal handlers when
signals are triggered. I added some functions as an alternative, but
this does not covers all use cases (and forces a code change).When searching bug reports about ticks, one can feel the ticks to be
broken (and this is why they have been deprecated). However, looking
in
depth at these bugs and viewing what caused them and how they have
been
fixed does not show really bad things about ticks.Actually one thing is broken (and is marked as such in the
documentation), tick functions do not work in ZTS, this looks
fixable.Any thoughts on removing the deprecation warning for now ? (at least
until a replacement is found).Sorry for posting this so close to the freeze.
So what is it going to be?
I remember everybody was happy when it was deprecated.The only thread I found about that is here:
http://marc.info/?l=php-internals&m=121442930703916&w=2Indeed the only open ticket is #47198, which is the doc bug. Or did
we
close tons of ticks bugs because it was deprecated?I've seen one bug marked as wont fix for this reason. I've searched
for
"ticks" and looked at the last few pages of bugs, many was really
bogus,
or documentation issues. Some was related toregister_tick_function()
and are fixed. I seen nothing really bad or related to the engine.The ZTS issue looks fixable, this is a crash when using
register_tick_function()due to the list of functions not being
initialized
in the threads.It seems to me like at this point its your call. You are the one that
has dug into this. If you feel you can fix things then I guess its
your call to undeprecate ticks. As for the bogus bugs, this maybe
indicate that we need to do some more work on the documentation. Could
you look into this as well? Overall we should do our dearest to
prevent that even stupid users can crash PHP and if something can too
easily be made to still crash PHP, maybe its something we shouldnt have.
Ok, so I reverted the deprecation warning and fixed the ZTS issue.
I will take a look at the documentation.
Regards,
Arnaud