Time-out Posting to PHP Internals List

Hi,

In the last months, you have had numerous suggestions to keep it civil
on the mailing list, in the "C++ Enhancements" thread [1,2,3,4,5,6], and
multiple other threads [7,8,9], and by many individuals. Despite that,
you did continue with ad hominems and related belligerent language,
bordering on trolling.

You have therefore been given a 3-month timeout, which will be enforced
by blocking you from sending email to the php.net domain, including
subdomains.

Evading, or attempts to evade, this restriction will result in longer
expulsions.

with kind regards,
Derick Rethans

[1] https://externals.io/message/124879#124905
[2] https://externals.io/message/124879#124931
[3] https://externals.io/message/124879#124936
[4] https://externals.io/message/124879#124948
[5] https://externals.io/message/124879#124950
[6] https://externals.io/message/124879#124951
[7] https://externals.io/message/123573#123605
[8] https://externals.io/message/124139#124168
[9] https://externals.io/message/123769#123888

This message kinda freaked me out until I realized it wasn't directed at me lol. Couldn't this have just been sent to the individual privately instead? I really don't need to see a notification whenever somebody gets themselves temp-banned from the list, just saying.

I saw the first few lines on my phone and had a similar wtaf reaction. Adding the person’s name in the salutation would help instead of a general “hello”. But otherwise, I think it is healthy for it to be public. Voices silently silenced, even for a good reason, are never a good thing. Also, it gives people a chance to advocate for the banned or object to the banning, if they so choose.

Spot on!

Christoph

Hi,

In the last months, you have had numerous suggestions to keep it civil
on the mailing list, in the "C++ Enhancements" thread [1,2,3,4,5,6], and
multiple other threads [7,8,9], and by many individuals. Despite that,
you did continue with ad hominems and related belligerent language,
bordering on trolling.

You have therefore been given a 3-month timeout, which will be enforced
by blocking you from sending email to the php.net domain, including
subdomains.

Evading, or attempts to evade, this restriction will result in longer
expulsions.

with kind regards,
Derick Rethans

[1] https://externals.io/message/124879#124905
[2] https://externals.io/message/124879#124931
[3] https://externals.io/message/124879#124936
[4] https://externals.io/message/124879#124948
[5] https://externals.io/message/124879#124950
[6] https://externals.io/message/124879#124951
[7] https://externals.io/message/123573#123605
[8] https://externals.io/message/124139#124168
[9] https://externals.io/message/123769#123888

This message kinda freaked me out until I realized it wasn't directed at
me lol. Couldn't this have just been sent to the individual privately
instead? I really don't need to see a notification whenever somebody gets
themselves temp-banned from the list, just saying.

--Kris

I saw the first few lines on my phone and had a similar wtaf reaction.
Adding the person’s name in the salutation would help instead of a general
“hello”. But otherwise, I think it is healthy for it to be public. Voices
silently silenced, even for a good reason, are never a good thing. Also, it
gives people a chance to advocate for the banned or object to the banning,
if they so choose.

— Rob

I agree with Rob. For me, the confusion arose from the fact that the
wording of the message (i.e. use of the word "you") made it look like it
was directed at me, the reader.

Maybe we could send out a seperate message to the list instead of just
CC'ing the one sent to the person being banned? I.e. something along the
lines of, "I have banned [person] from the list for [time] due to
[reasons]." A copy of the message sent to the user should definitely be
included for transparency, for sure, just not by itself imo.

--Kris