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Despite that, > you did continue with ad hominems and related belligerent language, > bordering on trolling. > > You have therefore been given a 3-month timeout, which will be enforced > by blocking you from sending email to the php.net domain, including > subdomains. > > Evading, or attempts to evade, this restriction will result in longer > expulsions. > > with kind regards, > Derick Rethans > > [1] https://externals.io/message/124879#124905 > [2] https://externals.io/message/124879#124931 > [3] https://externals.io/message/124879#124936 > [4] https://externals.io/message/124879#124948 > [5] https://externals.io/message/124879#124950 > [6] https://externals.io/message/124879#124951 > [7] https://externals.io/message/123573#123605 > [8] https://externals.io/message/124139#124168 > [9] https://externals.io/message/123769#123888 > > > This message kinda freaked me out until I realized it wasn't directed at > me lol. Couldn't this have just been sent to the individual privately > instead? I really don't need to see a notification whenever somebody get= s > themselves temp-banned from the list, just saying. > > --Kris > > > > I saw the first few lines on my phone and had a similar wtaf reaction. > Adding the person=E2=80=99s name in the salutation would help instead of = a general > =E2=80=9Chello=E2=80=9D. But otherwise, I think it is healthy for it to b= e public. Voices > silently silenced, even for a good reason, are never a good thing. Also, = it > gives people a chance to advocate for the banned or object to the banning= , > if they so choose. > > =E2=80=94 Rob > I agree with Rob. For me, the confusion arose from the fact that the wording of the message (i.e. use of the word "you") made it look like it was directed at me, the reader. Maybe we could send out a seperate message to the list instead of just CC'ing the one sent to the person being banned? I.e. something along the lines of, "I have banned [person] from the list for [time] due to [reasons]." A copy of the message sent to the user should definitely be included for transparency, for sure, just not by itself imo. --Kris --000000000000cc8f0a061fd91afd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Fri, Aug 16, 2024 at 3:37=E2=80=AF= PM Rob Landers <rob@bottled.codes> wrote:
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On Fri, Aug 16, 2024, at 22:16,= Kris Craig wrote:


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On Fri, Aug 16, 2024 at 8:11=E2=80=AFAM Derick Rethans <= ;derick@php.net>= wrote:
Hi,

In the last months, you have had numerous suggestions to keep it = civil
on the mailing list, in the "C++ Enhancements&qu= ot; thread [1,2,3,4,5,6], and
multiple other threads [7,8,9= ], and by many individuals. Despite that,
you did continue = with ad hominems and related belligerent language,
borderin= g on trolling.

You have therefore been given= a 3-month timeout, which will be enforced
by blocking you = from sending email to the php.net domain, including
subdomains.

Evading, or attempts to evade, this restrictio= n will result in longer
expulsions.

This message kinda freaked me out unti= l I realized it wasn't directed at me lol.=C2=A0 Couldn't this have= just been sent to the individual privately instead?=C2=A0 I really don'= ;t need to see a notification whenever somebody gets themselves temp-banned= from the list, just saying.

--Kris
<= div>=C2=A0

I saw the = first few lines on my phone and had a similar wtaf reaction. Adding the per= son=E2=80=99s name in the salutation would help instead of a general =E2=80= =9Chello=E2=80=9D. But otherwise, I think it is healthy for it to be public= . Voices silently silenced, even for a good reason, are never a good thing.= Also, it gives people a chance to advocate for the banned or object to the= banning, if they so choose.=C2=A0

=E2=80=94 Rob
=

I agree with Rob.=C2=A0 For me, the confusion arose fro= m the fact that the wording of the message (i.e. use of the word "you&= quot;) made it look like it was directed at me, the reader.

<= /div>
Maybe we could send out a seperate message to the list instead of= just CC'ing the one sent to the person being banned?=C2=A0 I.e. someth= ing along the lines of, "I have banned [person] from the list for [tim= e] due to [reasons]."=C2=A0 A copy of the message sent to the user sho= uld definitely be included for transparency, for sure, just not by itself i= mo.

--Kris

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