That's what Ralf and I suggested all along. By the way, the problem is
that most of the web developers don't know anything about IT. I guess
most of them use Windows (and you can't expect a Windows user to
compile stuff), and the majority of the other half uses Ubuntu and
never even saw the shell, they're using Ubuntu Software Centre. I'm not
talking about those who go to conferences, but the vast majority of PHP
coders who never wrote a single bit of native code and never had to
compile anything.
r1pp3rj4ck
From: Stas Malyshev
Sent: 30/01/2013 07:04
To: Larry Garfield
Cc: internals@lists.php.net
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Voting periods
Hi!
down. Right or wrong, good or bad, the gulf between PHP developer and C
developer is huge, and doing anything at all with the PHP engine,
We're not talking here writing code in C. We're talking here typing
"configure" in shell, hitting enter, then typing "make" in shell, then
hitting enter. It's not really that hard. OK, there are all kinds of
envt problems and so on that could happen, but on standard Linux with
standard libs that's pretty much it.
But if even that is too hard, how about making something like spec file
for RPM and a script that d/ls a snapshot and then builds a RPM from it?
Installing RPM shouldn't be too hard?
Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect
SugarCRM: http://www.sugarcrm.com/
(408)454-6900 ext. 227
That's what Ralf and I suggested all along. By the way, the problem is
that most of the web developers don't know anything about IT. I guess
most of them use Windows (and you can't expect a Windows user to
compile stuff), and the majority of the other half uses Ubuntu and
never even saw the shell, they're using Ubuntu Software Centre. I'm not
talking about those who go to conferences, but the vast majority of PHP
coders who never wrote a single bit of native code and never had to
compile anything.
Not meaning to sound obnoxious, but are those kind of developers really
likely to be able to give useful enough feedback that their testing nightly
builds would be valuable? Surely a developer who doesn't know how to use
the shell is going to be limited in what level of detail they can provide,
potentially making the bug fixing process significantly more difficult.
I'm no C developer, most of my work is in PHP - but I've never found it a
struggle to compile PHP, MySQL or any of their associated libraries.
Dan, I'm a PHP developer myself too and I always compile PHP and Apache for
my own (PostgreSQL is good for me as it's packaged for Archlinux). But the
majority is just dumb. And you're right about the bug reports, lots of them
would be just like "it doesn't work because of reasons". But they'd at
least try and we still could extract some valuable information from that.
r1pp3rj4ck
That's what Ralf and I suggested all along. By the way, the problem is
that most of the web developers don't know anything about IT. I guess
most of them use Windows (and you can't expect a Windows user to
compile stuff), and the majority of the other half uses Ubuntu and
never even saw the shell, they're using Ubuntu Software Centre. I'm not
talking about those who go to conferences, but the vast majority of PHP
coders who never wrote a single bit of native code and never had to
compile anything.Not meaning to sound obnoxious, but are those kind of developers really
likely to be able to give useful enough feedback that their testing nightly
builds would be valuable? Surely a developer who doesn't know how to use
the shell is going to be limited in what level of detail they can provide,
potentially making the bug fixing process significantly more difficult.I'm no C developer, most of my work is in PHP - but I've never found it a
struggle to compile PHP, MySQL or any of their associated libraries.