MySQL problems

22 years ago by Georg Richter — view source — reply

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Hi,

since PHP5 beta is out I got tons of emails which a) complained about missing
libmysql for ext/mysqli b) about licensing problems and possible solutions.

I'm not able to answer all these mails, currently I work 500km away from home
and I'm not able to check all these mails. So would it be ok to forward it to
this list? Or to the people which removed bundled libmysql ?

Regards

Georg

22 years ago by Sterling Hughes — view source — reply

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Just don't reply.

-Sterling

Hi,

since PHP5 beta is out I got tons of emails which a) complained about missing
libmysql for ext/mysqli b) about licensing problems and possible solutions.

I'm not able to answer all these mails, currently I work 500km away from home
and I'm not able to check all these mails. So would it be ok to forward it to
this list? Or to the people which removed bundled libmysql ?

Regards

Georg
--
If a 6600 used paper tape instead of core memory, it would use up tape
at about 30 miles/second.

Grishman, Assembly Language Programming

22 years ago by Derick Rethans — view source — reply

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Hi!

since PHP5 beta is out I got tons of emails which a) complained about missing
libmysql for ext/mysqli b) about licensing problems and possible solutions.

Write a faq entry to which you/we can point them? I think that might be
the best solution.

regards,
Derick

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that read the future by examining animal entrails."

Derick Rethans http://derickrethans.nl/
International PHP Magazine http://php-mag.net/

22 years ago by Derick Rethans — view source — reply

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We have to ungrade PHP docs to reflect all those kind of changes in
the new release... And we have to generate the docs more often. I
always find obsoletes informations on the PHP website, and when I look
on CVS, it's already fixed... But still, doesn't show on the "official"
docs on the website.

I'm going to start a doc build in one hour, if you get a faq entry in it
will be online tonight.

regards,
Derick

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that read the future by examining animal entrails."

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22 years ago by Sterling Hughes — view source — reply

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Sterling Hughes wrote:

Just don't reply.

-Sterling

Kind of rude... We should a least have an auto-reply directing to a
"closed bug" report telling users to use the system libmysql. I had
absolutely no problems compiling with mysql, but that's because I did
know that it wasn't bundled anymore.

Not rude at all. A user comes to you, without ever meeting you, asks a
question, some of your time, often in an unpolite manner and its rude
not to reply? Please.

If you respond to users (that you don't know), its just going to give
your life unnecessary aggravation. Just pipe to /dev/null and be done
with it, they'll find their answer elsewhere.

For example, when I started responding "I charge 120 USD p/h for
technical support, and I would be glad to help you." It was amazing how
many users responded back, usually within 5 minutes, "nm found it on
Google." Apparently 5 minutes of my time to respond, is worth 5 less
than 5 minutes of their time to search on google. The others didn't
respond at all btw. PHP Developer's are not your or anybody's personal
support desk. If we do answer, be grateful, buy us something from our
wishlist, most times we just did you a big favor.

If we don't, please don't call us rude. You've never done anything for
us, nor do you even know us.

-Sterling

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have everyone else mirror it."
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22 years ago by Olivier Hill — view source — reply

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Sterling Hughes wrote:

If we don't, please don't call us rude. You've never done anything for
us, nor do you even know us.

Thanks for the flaming, I wasn't pointing it back at you.

I know lot of users are lazy and kind of angry sometimes. But we need to
provide the proper information so we could say: RTFM.

As for the "you've done nothing and you don't know us", I've met a few
of the PHP group in Montreal recently, and I surely mean it when I say:
"If I can so something with the so little knowledge I have, then I'd be
happy to".

Be back in a few with the ./configure patch and the message.. Feel free
to correct my English.

Oliver

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22 years ago by Derick Rethans — view source — reply

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Sterling Hughes wrote:

If we don't, please don't call us rude. You've never done anything for
us, nor do you even know us.

Thanks for the flaming, I wasn't pointing it back at you.

And Sterling was referring to the guys asking for help...

I know lot of users are lazy and kind of angry sometimes. But we need to
provide the proper information so we could say: RTFM.

Write a FAQ then, like I suggested.

Derick

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"Interpreting what the GPL actually means is a job best left to those
that read the future by examining animal entrails."

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International PHP Magazine http://php-mag.net/

22 years ago by Olivier Hill — view source — reply

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Jani Taskinen wrote:

There's absolutely NO reason to add any notes in configure.in
about mysql. If you use --with-mysql and the libs are not found
in your system, it'll error out..

--Jani

But then, the user is asking: Why does it error out?

The purpose was to inform the user where he can find help.

Maybe I'm missing something, or maybe I'm just being stupid,
Oliver

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22 years ago by Jani Taskinen — view source — reply

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>Jani Taskinen wrote:
>> There's absolutely NO reason to add any notes in configure.in
>> about mysql. If you use --with-mysql and the libs are not found
>> in your system, it'll error out..
>>
>
>But then, the user is asking: Why does it error out?

It tells exactly why it's erroring. See ext/mysql/config.m4
for more information.

Of course that error checking stuff should be improved,
I'm just not interested since this really isn't any problem
for *nix users.

>The purpose was to inform the user where he can find help.

This is not the problem you should be solving, move along.

--Jani

22 years ago by Olivier Hill — view source — reply

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Jani Taskinen wrote:

The purpose was to inform the user where he can find help.
This is not the problem you should be solving, move along.

I just did what Marcus suggested: inform the user about the new
"policies" regarding MySQL/PHP integration. If the user is aware of the
problem, he won't ask George why it's not working anymore (with the
bundled librairies), fixing the "one-on-one" user/developper questions.

Anyways, I'll just shup up and sit back, reading my email, since I feel
I'm disturbing some developpers on this list.. Sorry if I did/ask/wanted
to contribute too much.

Oliver

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22 years ago by Derick Rethans — view source — reply

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Jani Taskinen wrote:

There's absolutely NO reason to add any notes in configure.in
about mysql. If you use --with-mysql and the libs are not found
in your system, it'll error out..

--Jani

But then, the user is asking: Why does it error out?

THey can find the clue in the NEWS file which they've read anyway.

Derick

--
"Interpreting what the GPL actually means is a job best left to those
that read the future by examining animal entrails."

Derick Rethans http://derickrethans.nl/
International PHP Magazine http://php-mag.net/

-- "Interpreting what the GPL actually means is a job best left to those that read the future by examining animal entrails."

-- "Interpreting what the GPL actually means is a job best left to those that read the future by examining animal entrails."

Oliver

-- "Interpreting what the GPL actually means is a job best left to those that read the future by examining animal entrails."

Maybe I'm missing something, or maybe I'm just being stupid, Oliver

Oliver

-- "Interpreting what the GPL actually means is a job best left to those that read the future by examining animal entrails."

--
"Interpreting what the GPL actually means is a job best left to those
that read the future by examining animal entrails."

--
"Interpreting what the GPL actually means is a job best left to those
that read the future by examining animal entrails."

--
"Interpreting what the GPL actually means is a job best left to those
that read the future by examining animal entrails."

Maybe I'm missing something, or maybe I'm just being stupid,
Oliver

--
"Interpreting what the GPL actually means is a job best left to those
that read the future by examining animal entrails."