For quite some time now I have noticed an increased rudeness and
impoliteness from some few developers working on PHP, both on this
mailinglist and on IRC.
Other Open Source projects, like Gentoo Linux [1], for instance, have
a policy for how their developers should interact. For example:
"One should try to not be rude, abusive or impolite under any
circumstances. Sometimes, just one sarcastic comment can change the
tone to the reader. If you think you might give somebody a bad as a
result of your comment, and if you really need to say it, make sure
people understand that you are not trying to be offensive.
Please remember that you are an official representative of Gentoo. In
this capacity, you are expected to maintain a certain level of
professionalism and courtesy in your day-to-day interactions with
users and other developers."
The straw that breaks the camel's back and made me write this email
today is the fact that I was being called a "lowlife" by Edin on IRC
because I informed Stefan about Edin's outbursts in his direction on
IRC earlier ("sesser needs to be taken out back and shot",
"he is a mega ego maniac and a prick in general").
While I do not think that Stefan's behaviour is perfect, either, I deem
remarks like these intolerable and I think the person that is being
talked about (in its absence) has a right to know, which is why I gave
Stefan a copy&paste from my IRC logfile.
I wish everyone involved in the development of PHP would be able to
discuss technical issues in a professional manner without getting
offensive and personal.
Please do not turn this thread into yet another flamewar,
Sebastian
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Yep I completely agree.
Although PHP is a volunteers project, the development team represent the
project, and should therefore try and be as professional as possible (in the
many things that encompasses).
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From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Sebastian Bergmann
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 12:38 PM
To: internals@lists.php.net
Subject: [PHP-DEV] EtiquetteFor quite some time now I have noticed an increased rudeness
and impoliteness from some few developers working on PHP,
both on this mailinglist and on IRC.Other Open Source projects, like Gentoo Linux [1], for
instance, have a policy for how their developers should
interact. For example:"One should try to not be rude, abusive or impolite under any
circumstances. Sometimes, just one sarcastic comment can change the
tone to the reader. If you think you might give somebody a bad as a
result of your comment, and if you really need to say it, make sure
people understand that you are not trying to be offensive.Please remember that you are an official representative of
Gentoo. In
this capacity, you are expected to maintain a certain level of
professionalism and courtesy in your day-to-day interactions with
users and other developers."The straw that breaks the camel's back and made me write
this email today is the fact that I was being called a
"lowlife" by Edin on IRC because I informed Stefan about
Edin's outbursts in his direction on IRC earlier ("sesser
needs to be taken out back and shot", "he is a mega ego
maniac and a prick in general").While I do not think that Stefan's behaviour is perfect,
either, I deem remarks like these intolerable and I think
the person that is being talked about (in its absence) has a
right to know, which is why I gave Stefan a copy&paste from
my IRC logfile.I wish everyone involved in the development of PHP would be
able to discuss technical issues in a professional manner
without getting offensive and personal.Please do not turn this thread into yet another flamewar, Sebastian
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Andi Gutmans schrieb:
Yep I completely agree.
Although PHP is a volunteers project, the development team represent the
project, and should therefore try and be as professional as possible (in the
many things that encompasses).
I agree with the general request, though I would be hesitant to combine
this with any specific finger pointing. I think slowly things got out of
hand and to some extend I guess pretty much everybody (myself included)
started to modify their tone in a not so nice manner.
I think it will make life in this project a lot more enjoyable if we get
back to discussing things in a polite manner. Of course there will still
be disagreements or even some politics, but this way technical
discussions will hopefully dominate.
regards,
Lukas