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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:25:05 -0700
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Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV]  Etiquette
From: andi@zend.com ("Andi Gutmans")
References: <ed2531$cf7$1@sea.gmane.org>

Yep I completely agree.
Although PHP is a volunteers project, the development team represent the
project, and should therefore try and be as professional as possible (in the
many things that encompasses).

> -----Original Message-----
> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Sebastian Bergmann
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 12:38 PM
> To: internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: [PHP-DEV] Etiquette
> 
>  For quite some time now I have noticed an increased rudeness 
> and  impoliteness from some few developers working on PHP, 
> both on this  mailinglist and on IRC.
> 
>  Other Open Source projects, like Gentoo Linux [1], for 
> instance, have  a policy for how their developers should 
> interact. For example:
> 
>    "One should try to not be rude, abusive or impolite under any
>    circumstances. Sometimes, just one sarcastic comment can change the
>    tone to the reader. If you think you might give somebody a bad as a
>    result of your comment, and if you really need to say it, make sure
>    people understand that you are not trying to be offensive.
> 
>    Please remember that you are an official representative of 
> Gentoo. In
>    this capacity, you are expected to maintain a certain level of
>    professionalism and courtesy in your day-to-day interactions with
>    users and other developers."
> 
>  The straw that breaks the camel's back and made me write 
> this email  today is the fact that I was being called a 
> "lowlife" by Edin on IRC  because I informed Stefan about 
> Edin's outbursts in his direction on  IRC earlier ("sesser 
> needs to be taken out back and shot",  "he is a mega ego 
> maniac and a prick in general").
> 
>  While I do not think that Stefan's behaviour is perfect, 
> either, I deem  remarks like these intolerable and I think 
> the person that is being  talked about (in its absence) has a 
> right to know, which is why I gave  Stefan a copy&paste from 
> my IRC logfile.
> 
>  I wish everyone involved in the development of PHP would be 
> able to  discuss technical issues in a professional manner 
> without getting  offensive and personal.
> 
>  Please do not turn this thread into yet another flamewar, Sebastian
> 
>  --
>  [1] 
> http://gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=3&chap=2
> 
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