# Etiquette - Thread: https://externals.io/message/25446 - Original archive: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/25446 - Started by Sebastian Bergmann on 2006-08-29T19:38:11+00:00 - Messages: 3 - Reply by email to internals@lists.php.net - More for agents: search with https://externals.io/search.md?q={query} · JSON API at https://externals.io/api · documentation at https://externals.io/llms.txt --- ## #25446 — Sebastian Bergmann — 2006-08-29T19:38:11+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/25446#25446 For quite some time now I have noticed an increased rudeness and impoliteness from some few developers working on PHP, both on this mailinglist and on IRC. Other Open Source projects, like Gentoo Linux [1], for instance, have a policy for how their developers should interact. For example: "One should try to not be rude, abusive or impolite under any circumstances. Sometimes, just one sarcastic comment can change the tone to the reader. If you think you might give somebody a bad as a result of your comment, and if you really need to say it, make sure people understand that you are not trying to be offensive. Please remember that you are an official representative of Gentoo. In this capacity, you are expected to maintain a certain level of professionalism and courtesy in your day-to-day interactions with users and other developers." The straw that breaks the camel's back and made me write this email today is the fact that I was being called a "lowlife" by Edin on IRC because I informed Stefan about Edin's outbursts in his direction on IRC earlier ("sesser needs to be taken out back and shot", "he is a mega ego maniac and a prick in general"). While I do not think that Stefan's behaviour is perfect, either, I deem remarks like these intolerable and I think the person that is being talked about (in its absence) has a right to know, which is why I gave Stefan a copy&paste from my IRC logfile. I wish everyone involved in the development of PHP would be able to discuss technical issues in a professional manner without getting offensive and personal. Please do not turn this thread into yet another flamewar, Sebastian -- [1] http://gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=3&chap=2 -- Sebastian Bergmann http://www.sebastian-bergmann.de/ GnuPG Key: 0xB85B5D69 / 27A7 2B14 09E4 98CD 6277 0E5B 6867 C514 B85B 5D69 --- ## #25447 — Andi Gutmans — 2006-08-29T21:25:05+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/25446#25447 · In reply to: #25446 Yep I completely agree. Although PHP is a volunteers project, the development team represent the project, and should therefore try and be as professional as possible (in the many things that encompasses). > -----Original Message----- > From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Sebastian Bergmann > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 12:38 PM > To: internals@lists.php.net > Subject: [PHP-DEV] Etiquette > > For quite some time now I have noticed an increased rudeness > and impoliteness from some few developers working on PHP, > both on this mailinglist and on IRC. > > Other Open Source projects, like Gentoo Linux [1], for > instance, have a policy for how their developers should > interact. For example: > > "One should try to not be rude, abusive or impolite under any > circumstances. Sometimes, just one sarcastic comment can change the > tone to the reader. If you think you might give somebody a bad as a > result of your comment, and if you really need to say it, make sure > people understand that you are not trying to be offensive. > > Please remember that you are an official representative of > Gentoo. In > this capacity, you are expected to maintain a certain level of > professionalism and courtesy in your day-to-day interactions with > users and other developers." > > The straw that breaks the camel's back and made me write > this email today is the fact that I was being called a > "lowlife" by Edin on IRC because I informed Stefan about > Edin's outbursts in his direction on IRC earlier ("sesser > needs to be taken out back and shot", "he is a mega ego > maniac and a prick in general"). > > While I do not think that Stefan's behaviour is perfect, > either, I deem remarks like these intolerable and I think > the person that is being talked about (in its absence) has a > right to know, which is why I gave Stefan a copy&paste from > my IRC logfile. > > I wish everyone involved in the development of PHP would be > able to discuss technical issues in a professional manner > without getting offensive and personal. > > Please do not turn this thread into yet another flamewar, Sebastian > > -- > [1] > http://gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=3&chap=2 > > -- > Sebastian Bergmann > http://www.sebastian-bergmann.de/ > GnuPG Key: 0xB85B5D69 / 27A7 2B14 09E4 98CD 6277 0E5B 6867 > C514 B85B 5D69 > > -- > To > unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php --- ## #25450 — Lukas Kahwe Smith — 2006-08-30T09:23:39+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/25446#25450 · In reply to: #25447 Andi Gutmans schrieb: > Yep I completely agree. > Although PHP is a volunteers project, the development team represent the > project, and should therefore try and be as professional as possible (in the > many things that encompasses). I agree with the general request, though I would be hesitant to combine this with any specific finger pointing. I think slowly things got out of hand and to some extend I guess pretty much everybody (myself included) started to modify their tone in a not so nice manner. I think it will make life in this project a lot more enjoyable if we get back to discussing things in a polite manner. Of course there will still be disagreements or even some politics, but this way technical discussions will hopefully dominate. regards, Lukas