SimpleXML marked as EXPERIMENTAL

20 years ago by Sean Coates — view source

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It was probably just overlooked?

I'll remove EXPERIMENTAL status, unless someone speaks up.

S

Andi Gutmans wrote:

Hi,

Is there a reason why SimpleXML is marked as experimental in the PHP
documentation? EXPERIMENTAL status was removed from the source tree a
few months ago.

Andi

20 years ago by Friedhelm Betz — view source

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Hi,

It was probably just overlooked?

I'll remove EXPERIMENTAL status, unless someone speaks up.

S

Andi Gutmans wrote:

Hi,

Is there a reason why SimpleXML is marked as experimental in the PHP
documentation? EXPERIMENTAL status was removed from the source tree a
few months ago.

Andi

As long as we are in "dropping EXPERIMENTAL Mode":
Shouldn't we drop EXPERIMENTAL from php4 domxml living in PECL?
AFAIRC once Cgristian Stocker said, it is stable, obviously no API
changes will happen etc.
Any reason not to drop EXPERIMENTAL from docs and pecl source for domxml?

Friedhelm

20 years ago by Marcus Boerger — view source

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Hello Friedhelm,

Thursday, December 2, 2004, 2:18:08 AM, you wrote:

Hi,

It was probably just overlooked?

I'll remove EXPERIMENTAL status, unless someone speaks up.

S

Andi Gutmans wrote:

Hi,

Is there a reason why SimpleXML is marked as experimental in the PHP
documentation? EXPERIMENTAL status was removed from the source tree a
few months ago.

Andi

As long as we are in "dropping EXPERIMENTAL Mode":
Shouldn't we drop EXPERIMENTAL from php4 domxml living in PECL?
AFAIRC once Cgristian Stocker said, it is stable, obviously no API
changes will happen etc.
Any reason not to drop EXPERIMENTAL from docs and pecl source for domxml?

Please don't drop it there because that would sooner or later mean that
people will start using it a lot. The idea was to drop domxml once we
have dom - we have dom now.

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Best regards,
Marcus mailto:helly@php.net

20 years ago by Friedhelm Betz — view source

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Hi Marcus,

Hello Friedhelm,

Thursday, December 2, 2004, 2:18:08 AM, you wrote:

Hi,

It was probably just overlooked?

I'll remove EXPERIMENTAL status, unless someone speaks up.

S

Andi Gutmans wrote:

Hi,

Is there a reason why SimpleXML is marked as experimental in the PHP
documentation? EXPERIMENTAL status was removed from the source tree a
few months ago.

Andi

As long as we are in "dropping EXPERIMENTAL Mode":
Shouldn't we drop EXPERIMENTAL from php4 domxml living in PECL?
AFAIRC once Cgristian Stocker said, it is stable, obviously no API
changes will happen etc.
Any reason not to drop EXPERIMENTAL from docs and pecl source for domxml?

Please don't drop it there because that would sooner or later mean that
people will start using it a lot. The idea was to drop domxml once we
have dom - we have dom now.

Is your POV, that you don't want people to use domxml with php4?
If so, the EXPERIMENTAL tag for php4 should stay to hinder people using
domxml with php4? My impression was to use the EXPERIMENTAL tag for
'unstable' features, not to hinder people to use a feature.

domxml is php4 only and not longer in the packages for php5, because it
was moved to pecl and is deprecated for php5. One has to take extra
steps to use domxml with php 5. That said, I can't imagine people start
using php 5 with domxml, they would use dom.

Simple question: Is domxml still experimental? I think no ;-)
From the archives:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-dev&m=109358625722096&w=2

Regards
Friedhelm

20 years ago by Christian Stocker — view source

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Hi Marcus,

Hello Friedhelm,

Thursday, December 2, 2004, 2:18:08 AM, you wrote:

Hi,

It was probably just overlooked?

I'll remove EXPERIMENTAL status, unless someone speaks up.

S

Andi Gutmans wrote:

Hi,

Is there a reason why SimpleXML is marked as experimental in the
PHP documentation? EXPERIMENTAL status was removed from the source
tree a few months ago.

Andi

As long as we are in "dropping EXPERIMENTAL Mode":
Shouldn't we drop EXPERIMENTAL from php4 domxml living in PECL?
AFAIRC once Cgristian Stocker said, it is stable, obviously no API
changes will happen etc.
Any reason not to drop EXPERIMENTAL from docs and pecl source for
domxml?

Please don't drop it there because that would sooner or later mean that
people will start using it a lot. The idea was to drop domxml once we
have dom - we have dom now.

Is your POV, that you don't want people to use domxml with php4?
If so, the EXPERIMENTAL tag for php4 should stay to hinder people using
domxml with php4? My impression was to use the EXPERIMENTAL tag for
'unstable' features, not to hinder people to use a feature.

domxml is php4 only and not longer in the packages for php5, because it
was moved to pecl and is deprecated for php5. One has to take extra
steps to use domxml with php 5. That said, I can't imagine people start
using php 5 with domxml, they would use dom.

You can't use domxml with php5. Doesn't work, AFAIK (actually, I never
tested it, but I doubt it'll work...). And certainly doesn't work
alongside dom...

Simple question: Is domxml still experimental? I think no ;-)
From the archives:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-dev&m=109358625722096&w=2

It's not experimantal anymore in the sense of API changes. (Known) Bugs
are not there, the limitations are in the implementation, which was
fixed with dom in php5. I use it (domxml) a lot on my servers and
doesn't cause any problems (anymore ;) )

I don't care a lot about the topic. IMHO, we can remove the experimental
tag. Maybe add a warning, that it's not available in PHP 5 anymore and
that it's not compatible with ext/dom.

chregu

Regards
Friedhelm

20 years ago by Marcus Boerger — view source

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Hello Christian,

Thursday, December 2, 2004, 7:26:31 PM, you wrote:

It's not experimantal anymore in the sense of API changes. (Known) Bugs
are not there, the limitations are in the implementation, which was
fixed with dom in php5. I use it (domxml) a lot on my servers and
doesn't cause any problems (anymore ;) )

I don't care a lot about the topic. IMHO, we can remove the experimental
tag. Maybe add a warning, that it's not available in PHP 5 anymore and
that it's not compatible with ext/dom.

Your the guy that counts here :-)

From reading the list the general whish seems to drop experimental tag
and simply state that it won't never be available with PHP 5 which also
includes that we'd not apply a deprecation flag.

best regards
marcus

20 years ago by Christian Stocker — view source

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Hello Christian,

Thursday, December 2, 2004, 7:26:31 PM, you wrote:

It's not experimantal anymore in the sense of API changes. (Known) Bugs
are not there, the limitations are in the implementation, which was
fixed with dom in php5. I use it (domxml) a lot on my servers and
doesn't cause any problems (anymore ;) )

I don't care a lot about the topic. IMHO, we can remove the experimental
tag. Maybe add a warning, that it's not available in PHP 5 anymore and
that it's not compatible with ext/dom.

Your the guy that counts here :-)

hehe ;)

From reading the list the general whish seems to drop experimental tag
and simply state that it won't never be available with PHP 5 which also
includes that we'd not apply a deprecation flag.

Ok. There was no real argument against not removing the EXPERIMENTAL tag
and IMHO it isn't experimental anyway since 4.3.0, when the last big
changes happened. Therefore I'll remove it, if noone speaks up.

The other question is, should this be done already for 4.3.10 or just
afterwards?

chregu

20 years ago by Marcus Boerger — view source

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Hello Christian,

Friday, December 3, 2004, 8:20:33 AM, you wrote:

Ok. There was no real argument against not removing the EXPERIMENTAL tag
and IMHO it isn't experimental anyway since 4.3.0, when the last big
changes happened. Therefore I'll remove it, if noone speaks up.

The other question is, should this be done already for 4.3.10 or just
afterwards?

I think yes but ask Ilia :-)

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Best regards,
Marcus mailto:helly@php.net

20 years ago by Ilia Alshanetsky — view source

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I have no objection to removing the Experimental tag from the extension,
in fact I welcome this change.

Ilia

Marcus Boerger wrote:

Hello Christian,

Friday, December 3, 2004, 8:20:33 AM, you wrote:

Ok. There was no real argument against not removing the EXPERIMENTAL tag
and IMHO it isn't experimental anyway since 4.3.0, when the last big
changes happened. Therefore I'll remove it, if noone speaks up.

The other question is, should this be done already for 4.3.10 or just
afterwards?

I think yes but ask Ilia :-)

20 years ago by Christian Stocker — view source

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I have no objection to removing the Experimental tag from the extension,
in fact I welcome this change.

Already done.

It's gone. After almost 4 years ;)

chregu

Ilia

Marcus Boerger wrote:

Hello Christian,

Friday, December 3, 2004, 8:20:33 AM, you wrote:

Ok. There was no real argument against not removing the EXPERIMENTAL
tag and IMHO it isn't experimental anyway since 4.3.0, when the last
big changes happened. Therefore I'll remove it, if noone speaks up.

The other question is, should this be done already for 4.3.10 or just
afterwards?

I think yes but ask Ilia :-)

20 years ago by Sean Coates — view source

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FYI, I've removed the experimental tags from the docs, as well. For both
domxml and simplexml.

S

Already done.

It's gone. After almost 4 years ;)

chregu

20 years ago by Andi Gutmans — view source

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Thanks.

At 05:41 PM 12/1/2004 -0500, Sean Coates wrote:

It was probably just overlooked?

I'll remove EXPERIMENTAL status, unless someone speaks up.

S

Andi Gutmans wrote:

Hi,
Is there a reason why SimpleXML is marked as experimental in the PHP
documentation? EXPERIMENTAL status was removed from the source tree a few
months ago.
Andi

20 years ago by Marcus Boerger — view source

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Hello Andi,

Wednesday, December 1, 2004, 5:09:37 PM, you wrote:

Hi,

Is there a reason why SimpleXML is marked as experimental in the PHP
documentation? EXPERIMENTAL status was removed from the source tree a few
months ago.

No, we simply forgot to drop that.

Best regards,
Marcus mailto:helly@php.net