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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-DOC] SimpleXML marked as EXPERIMENTAL
From: chregu@php.net (Christian Stocker)



On 2.12.2004 18:48 Uhr, Friedhelm Betz wrote:
> Hi Marcus,
> 
>> Hello Friedhelm,
>>
>> Thursday, December 2, 2004, 2:18:08 AM, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>>>> It was probably just overlooked?
>>>>
>>>> I'll remove EXPERIMENTAL status, unless someone speaks up.
>>>>
>>>> S
>>>>
>>>> Andi Gutmans wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a reason why SimpleXML is marked as experimental in the 
>>>>> PHP documentation? EXPERIMENTAL status was removed from the source 
>>>>> tree a few months ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andi
>>
>>
>>
>>> As long as we are in "dropping EXPERIMENTAL Mode":
>>> Shouldn't we drop EXPERIMENTAL from php4 domxml living in PECL?
>>> AFAIRC once Cgristian Stocker said, it is stable, obviously no API 
>>> changes will happen etc.
>>> Any reason not to drop EXPERIMENTAL from docs and pecl source for 
>>> domxml?
>>
>>
>>
>> Please don't drop it there because that would sooner or later mean that
>> people will start using it a lot. The idea was to drop domxml once we
>> have dom - we have dom now.
> 
> 
> Is your POV, that you don't want people to use domxml with php4?
> If so, the EXPERIMENTAL tag for php4 should stay to hinder people using 
> domxml with php4? My impression was to use the EXPERIMENTAL tag for 
> 'unstable' features, not to hinder people to use a feature.
> 
> domxml is php4 only and not longer in the packages for php5, because it 
> was moved to pecl and is deprecated for php5. One has to take extra 
> steps to use domxml with php 5. That said, I can't imagine people start 
> using php 5 with domxml, they would use dom.

You can't use domxml with php5. Doesn't work, AFAIK (actually, I never 
tested it, but I doubt it'll work...). And certainly doesn't work 
alongside dom...

> Simple question: Is domxml still experimental? I think no ;-)
>  From the archives:
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-dev&m=109358625722096&w=2

It's not experimantal anymore in the sense of API changes. (Known) Bugs 
are not there, the limitations are in the implementation, which was 
fixed with dom in php5. I use it (domxml) a lot on my servers and 
doesn't cause any problems (anymore ;) )

I don't care a lot about the topic. IMHO, we can remove the experimental 
tag. Maybe add a warning, that it's not available in PHP 5 anymore and 
that it's not compatible with ext/dom.

chregu

> 
> Regards
> Friedhelm
> 

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