Avoid ending up in Spam

4 years ago by Jakob Givoni — view source

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Hi internals,

Sorry for the off-topic, but I need to ask you on this list, how do you
guys avoid having your emails ultimately ending up in the spam folders of
the mailing list recipients?

I had troubles in the past so now I'm using this new gmail account as
someone suggested, hoping you will at least see this message.
Is it true that there's no other solution than using gmail?

Best regards,
Jakob Givoni

4 years ago by Benas IML — view source

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Hey,

Here's a quote from Ben Ramsey that basically sums up the problem:

This appears to be happening due to DMARC rules on the domains of the
senders.
I had the same thing happen to my emails, so I had to relax my DMARC
rules. If
your rules are set too strict, servers see the From address coming from a
server not authorized by the domain, so it gets quarantined.

Best regards,
Benas

Hi internals,

Sorry for the off-topic, but I need to ask you on this list, how do you
guys avoid having your emails ultimately ending up in the spam folders of
the mailing list recipients?

I had troubles in the past so now I'm using this new gmail account as
someone suggested, hoping you will at least see this message.
Is it true that there's no other solution than using gmail?

Best regards,
Jakob Givoni

4 years ago by Jakob Givoni — view source

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Here's a quote from Ben Ramsey that basically sums up the problem:

This appears to be happening due to DMARC rules on the domains of the senders.
I had the same thing happen to my emails, so I had to relax my DMARC rules. If
your rules are set too strict, servers see the From address coming from a
server not authorized by the domain, so it gets quarantined.

Shouldn't I just be able to add lists.php.net or something to my SPF
record for my domain then?

4 years ago by Ben Ramsey — view source

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Here's a quote from Ben Ramsey that basically sums up the problem:

This appears to be happening due to DMARC rules on the domains of the senders.
I had the same thing happen to my emails, so I had to relax my DMARC rules. If
your rules are set too strict, servers see the From address coming from a
server not authorized by the domain, so it gets quarantined.

Shouldn't I just be able to add lists.php.net or something to my SPF
record for my domain then?

That might work. I haven’t tried it. I’ll try to look into it next week and see what I can figure out.

Cheers,
Ben

4 years ago by Ben Ramsey — view source

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Am 30.05.20 um 00:58 schrieb Ben Ramsey:

Here's a quote from Ben Ramsey that basically sums up the problem:

This appears to be happening due to DMARC rules on the domains of the senders.
I had the same thing happen to my emails, so I had to relax my DMARC rules. If
your rules are set too strict, servers see the From address coming from a
server not authorized by the domain, so it gets quarantined.

Shouldn't I just be able to add lists.php.net or something to my SPF
record for my domain then?

That might work. I haven’t tried it. I’ll try to look into it next week and see what I can figure out.

how do you imagine that a SPF for any random domain could affect
envelope senders ending with "@lists.php.net"?

DMARC is not just about SPF
SPF is not about "From address" in the From-Header

I thought SPF allowed you to specify domains/IPs that are allowed to send email “from” your domain.

Why wouldn’t something like this help?

v=spf1 include:_spf.google.com include:lists.php.net ~all

(In this example, assuming one already has an SPF record allowing Google Apps to send email for their domain.)

Cheers,
Ben

4 years ago by Jakob Givoni — view source

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Hi, having relaxed the DMARC rules, please let me know if this message
was more successful than those previously sent from jakob@givoni.dk
Thanks!

Am 30.05.20 um 00:58 schrieb Ben Ramsey:

Here's a quote from Ben Ramsey that basically sums up the problem:

This appears to be happening due to DMARC rules on the domains of the senders.
I had the same thing happen to my emails, so I had to relax my DMARC rules. If
your rules are set too strict, servers see the From address coming from a
server not authorized by the domain, so it gets quarantined.

Shouldn't I just be able to add lists.php.net or something to my SPF
record for my domain then?

That might work. I haven’t tried it. I’ll try to look into it next week and see what I can figure out.

how do you imagine that a SPF for any random domain could affect
envelope senders ending with "@lists.php.net"?

DMARC is not just about SPF
SPF is not about "From address" in the From-Header

I thought SPF allowed you to specify domains/IPs that are allowed to send email “from” your domain.

Why wouldn’t something like this help?
v=spf1 include:_spf.google.com include:lists.php.net ~all
(In this example, assuming one already has an SPF record allowing Google Apps to send email for their domain.)

Cheers,
Ben