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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 17:00:26 +0200
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Avoid ending up in Spam
From: jakob@givoni.dk (Jakob Givoni)

Hi, having relaxed the DMARC rules, please let me know if this message
was more successful than those previously sent from jakob@givoni.dk
Thanks!

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 1:20 AM Ben Ramsey <ben@benramsey.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 29, 2020, at 18:01, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@thelounge.net> wrote=
:
> >
> >
> >
> > Am 30.05.20 um 00:58 schrieb Ben Ramsey:
> >>> On May 29, 2020, at 17:34, Jakob Givoni <jgivoni.php@gmail.com> wrote=
:
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 12:07 AM Benas IML <benas.molis.iml@gmail.com=
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Here's a quote from Ben Ramsey that basically sums up the problem:
> >>>>
> >>>>> This appears to be happening due to DMARC rules on the domains of t=
he senders.
> >>>>> I had the same thing happen to my emails, so I had to relax my DMAR=
C rules. If
> >>>>> your rules are set too strict, servers see the From address coming =
from a
> >>>>> server not authorized by the domain, so it gets quarantined.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Shouldn't I just be able to add lists.php.net or something to my SPF
> >>> record for my domain then?
> >>
> >>
> >> That might work. I haven=E2=80=99t tried it. I=E2=80=99ll try to look =
into it next week and see what I can figure out.
> >
> > how do you imagine that a SPF for any random domain could affect
> > envelope senders ending with "@lists.php.net"?
> >
> > DMARC is not just about SPF
> > SPF is not about "From address" in the From-Header
>
>
> I thought SPF allowed you to specify domains/IPs that are allowed to send=
 email =E2=80=9Cfrom=E2=80=9D your domain.
>
> Why wouldn=E2=80=99t something like this help?
>
>     v=3Dspf1 include:_spf.google.com include:lists.php.net ~all
>
> (In this example, assuming one already has an SPF record allowing Google =
Apps to send email for their domain.)
>
> Cheers,
> Ben
>