Before you fall of your chairs let me expand on that ...
Many of the sites I'm supporting are being chased by the we want your
work mob, and being told they "Must have apps to stay in business". Of
cause that means both an android and an apple one with a discount on the
pair. BUT in most cases a restyling of the existing website to be more
mobile/tablet friendly layout is all that is needed. To that end I've
finally nailed a configuration of bootstrap3 which will work with my
smarty templating and legacy jquery browser side actions. ( Fourth setup
I've worked through as previous 'solutions' proved dead ends! )
Very few of us use PHP as a programming language in isolation to
anything else? Although that is perhaps not obvious from some of the
discussions. Areas like better JSON or HTTP support all fall into the
camp of integration with the rest of the infrastructure? Something which
is now totally different to what existed when PHP5 first came out!
Eclipse provides me with a flat workbench where js, css, raw html, php,
smarty tpl, sql, and even c/c++ all co-exist and the right highlighting
and support tools are provided. Javascript is the obvious choice for
browser side programming, and browser side templates like bootstrap rely
on it to make elements of the layout work, and PHP is more than happy
feeding that functionality, but trying to maintain two different
languages between the two ends is perhaps not ideal?
Am I totally mad thinking that a tool that converts perhaps a lite
version of PHP into Javascript might plug a hole in the infrastructure?
Parts like validation beyond what html5 has added is one I've just hit
where the original site passed form data back to the server and pushed
validation errors back, so we have the specialist bits in php already.
But while html5 validation does some of the job, some javascript will be
needed to fill the gaps ... with a fall back to PHP for non-html5 browsers.
Perhaps something does already exist that I'm missing?
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Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact
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Hi,
Before you fall of your chairs let me expand on that ...
Many of the sites I'm supporting are being chased by the we want your
work mob, and being told they "Must have apps to stay in business". Of
cause that means both an android and an apple one with a discount on the
pair. BUT in most cases a restyling of the existing website to be more
mobile/tablet friendly layout is all that is needed. To that end I've
finally nailed a configuration of bootstrap3 which will work with my
smarty templating and legacy jquery browser side actions. ( Fourth setup
I've worked through as previous 'solutions' proved dead ends! )Very few of us use PHP as a programming language in isolation to
anything else? Although that is perhaps not obvious from some of the
discussions. Areas like better JSON or HTTP support all fall into the
camp of integration with the rest of the infrastructure? Something which
is now totally different to what existed when PHP5 first came out!Eclipse provides me with a flat workbench where js, css, raw html, php,
smarty tpl, sql, and even c/c++ all co-exist and the right highlighting
and support tools are provided. Javascript is the obvious choice for
browser side programming, and browser side templates like bootstrap rely
on it to make elements of the layout work, and PHP is more than happy
feeding that functionality, but trying to maintain two different
languages between the two ends is perhaps not ideal?Am I totally mad thinking that a tool that converts perhaps a lite
version of PHP into Javascript might plug a hole in the infrastructure?
Parts like validation beyond what html5 has added is one I've just hit
where the original site passed form data back to the server and pushed
validation errors back, so we have the specialist bits in php already.
But while html5 validation does some of the job, some javascript will be
needed to fill the gaps ... with a fall back to PHP for non-html5 browsers.Perhaps something does already exist that I'm missing?
This seems kind of off-topic for this mailing list, isn't it?
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Lester Caine - G8HFLContact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact
L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk
EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/
Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk
Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk--
Regards,
Florian Margaine
Before you fall of your chairs let me expand on that ...
Many of the sites I'm supporting are being chased by the we want your
work mob, and being told they "Must have apps to stay in business". Of
cause that means both an android and an apple one with a discount on the
pair.
They're called responsive websites and they've been around for ages.
Perhaps something does already exist that I'm missing?
Before you fall of your chairs let me expand on that ...
Many of the sites I'm supporting are being chased by the we want your
work mob, and being told they "Must have apps to stay in business". Of
cause that means both an android and an apple one with a discount on the
pair.They're called responsive websites and they've been around for ages.
Perhaps something does already exist that I'm missing?
There's also http://phpjs.hertzen.com and https://code.google.com/p/php-to-js/ and some others.
I'm currently writing a JavaScript backend for Anthony Ferrara's Recki-CT, too.
--
Andrea Faulds
http://ajf.me/
Before you fall of your chairs let me expand on that ...
Many of the sites I'm supporting are being chased by the we want your
work mob, and being told they "Must have apps to stay in business". Of
cause that means both an android and an apple one with a discount on the
pair.They're called responsive websites and they've been around for ages.
The point was my customers don't need apps - the upgrade to a responsive
design would scrap probably 90% of current apps?
Perhaps something does already exist that I'm missing?
There's also http://phpjs.hertzen.com and https://code.google.com/p/php-to-js/ and some others.
I'm currently writing a JavaScript backend for Anthony Ferrara's Recki-CT, too.
Andrea - that is just the sort of insight I was hoping for. I've spotted
a few options now I'm thinking about this the other way around. I'm not
sure that the 'compile' approach will fit well with the real time work
flow? But php.js has flagged up the use of conversion to AST trees which
I think was something being discussed internally for PHP as well?
My original post my have appeared off topic, but I knew there was
something dovetailing in with other php discussions - just could not
remember what. It's just a pity that what is available seems still very
much work in progress and usage in some cases is not obvious.
--
Lester Caine - G8HFL
Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact
L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk
EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/
Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk
Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk
Perhaps something does already exist that I'm missing?
There's also http://phpjs.hertzen.com and https://code.google.com/p/php-to-js/ and some others.
I'm currently writing a JavaScript backend for Anthony Ferrara's Recki-CT, too.
Andrea - that is just the sort of insight I was hoping for. I've spotted
a few options now I'm thinking about this the other way around. I'm not
sure that the 'compile' approach will fit well with the real time work
flow?
There are utilities which will watch your files for modifications and automatically recompile, that could work.
Andrea Faulds
http://ajf.me/