Yes patches for the actually extension is normally sent to internals
and test patches are sent to QA people.
Speaking of "QA people", how about crediting those who are actually
working on QA and removing the names who haven't been around for years
(I don't even recognized most of those names)?
-Hannes
Hannes Magnusson schrieb:
Speaking of "QA people", how about crediting those who are actually
working on QA and removing the names who haven't been around for years
(I don't even recognized most of those names)?
How do you recommend measuring who deserves credit?
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On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 13:16, Sebastian Bergmann
sb@sebastian-bergmann.de wrote:
Hannes Magnusson schrieb:
Speaking of "QA people", how about crediting those who are actually
working on QA and removing the names who haven't been around for years
(I don't even recognized most of those names)?How do you recommend measuring who deserves credit?
By reading the "PHP-QAT Goals" page and checking who actually is
actively working on these things.
High on my list would be Jani, Zoe, Tony, Felipe, Jani, Felipe, Tony,
Zoe and Jani.
-Hannes
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Hannes Magnusson
hannes.magnusson@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 13:16, Sebastian Bergmann
sb@sebastian-bergmann.de wrote:Hannes Magnusson schrieb:
Speaking of "QA people", how about crediting those who are actually
working on QA and removing the names who haven't been around for years
(I don't even recognized most of those names)?How do you recommend measuring who deserves credit?
By reading the "PHP-QAT Goals" page and checking who actually is
actively working on these things.High on my list would be Jani, Zoe, Tony, Felipe, Jani, Felipe, Tony,
Zoe and Jani.
What's about Sanjay Mantoor, Feliix dV or all the other test fest
attendees continuing their work after the end of the test fest?
I'm not sure I like the idea of a strong credits page, it creates ego
related issues which are not helping. A general page with the list of
the QA contributors or coordinators (@Zoe, dictactor-like ;) would be
better and more flexible.
Cheers,
Pierre
What's about Sanjay Mantoor, Feliix dV or all the other test fest
attendees continuing their work after the end of the test fest?
Sure, after having "proven themselves" to be worth it for some period
of time, not like the ones who commit and bail.
I'm not sure I like the idea of a strong credits page, it creates ego
related issues which are not helping. A general page with the list of
the QA contributors or coordinators (@Zoe, dictactor-like ;) would be
better and more flexible.
Sounds like a great idea.
If we can get that ridiculous credit list away I bet some people will
start doing something about the sadness that overwhelms the current
website.
From the looks of things people are treating that website like a
deadly decease which they don't want to get near to and believe its
goal is to be a "QAT website" (when in fact no such team exists) and
rather then give it love go of and create other "teams" to get credit.
My end-goal here is to face the facts: Quality assurance is about
testing, providing builds for people to test on, look into bugs and
everything along those lines.
snaps.php.net, downloads.php.net/~randomguy2/some-rc, windows.php.net,
pecl4windows.php.net, ubuntu.php.net, 64bit.php.net.... qa.php.net
should be the center of it all.
The existing servers would obviously do the actual heavy-lifting
(doing the builds/downloads) but it should all be linked from qa.
-Hannes
hi,
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Hannes Magnusson
hannes.magnusson@gmail.com wrote:
My end-goal here is to face the facts: Quality assurance is about
testing, providing builds for people to test on, look into bugs and
everything along those lines.
snaps.php.net, downloads.php.net/~randomguy2/some-rc, windows.php.net,
pecl4windows.php.net, ubuntu.php.net, 64bit.php.net.... qa.php.net
should be the center of it all.
It is not necessary to bring this FUD here or in this discussion. As I
already told you that what belongs to qa.php.net can be in qa.php.net
as well, but windows.php.net has other reasons to exits, reasons that
I already explained many times.
Cheers,
Pierre
I'm not sure I like the idea of a strong credits page, it creates ego
related issues which are not helping. A general page with the list of
the QA contributors or coordinators (@Zoe, dictactor-like ;) would be
better and more flexible.
I'm fine with that, too, but we should mention that site on the credits
page and probably some key persons like Zoe (similar to what we do with
the docs).
johannes
I'm not sure I like the idea of a strong credits page, it creates ego
related issues which are not helping. A general page with the list of
the QA contributors or coordinators (@Zoe, dictactor-like ;) would be
better and more flexible.I'm fine with that, too, but we should mention that site on the credits
page and probably some key persons like Zoe (similar to what we do with
the docs).
Hence my list of "favourite" names.
And rather then calling it "Quality Assurance Team" (which indicates
they are awesome and do all the QA work) the "headline" needs to be a
bit more "modest".
-Hannes
Hannes Magnusson wrote:
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 13:16, Sebastian Bergmann
sb@sebastian-bergmann.de wrote:Hannes Magnusson schrieb:
Speaking of "QA people", how about crediting those who are actually
working on QA and removing the names who haven't been around for years
(I don't even recognized most of those names)?
How do you recommend measuring who deserves credit?By reading the "PHP-QAT Goals" page and checking who actually is
actively working on these things.High on my list would be Jani, Zoe, Tony, Felipe, Jani, Felipe, Tony,
Zoe and Jani.
Instead of repeating me and Tony and Felipe, I'd put the people who
write all those tests quite high on the list. And just leave me out of
it. :D
--Jani
Hannes Magnusson schrieb:
Speaking of "QA people", how about crediting those who are actually
working on QA and removing the names who haven't been around for
years
(I don't even recognized most of those names)?How do you recommend measuring who deserves credit?
Who recommends (and how do they recommend) credit for PHP core?
Who recommends (and how do they recommend) credit for PHP extensions?
Who recommends (and how do they recommend) credit for PHP documentation?
Who recommends (and how do they recommend) credit for PHP notes?
Who recommends (and how do they recommend) credit for PHP QA?
One thing that does bother me about Hannes's suggestion is the
implication that somebody who worked on PHP for 3 years is less
important than somebody who worked on PHP for a year or so, but they
did so very recently.
We all stand on the shoulders of others.
+1 on adding names.
-1 on removing names.
The PHP project has 2,000+ authors. Some are well known "rockstars",
others are virtually unknown.
-Bop
hi,
Hannes Magnusson schrieb:
Speaking of "QA people", how about crediting those who are actually
working on QA and removing the names who haven't been around for years
(I don't even recognized most of those names)?How do you recommend measuring who deserves credit?
Who recommends (and how do they recommend) credit for PHP core?
Who recommends (and how do they recommend) credit for PHP extensions?
We have a credits file and new names are added while older/inactive
developers are kept.
Cheers,
Pierre
Hi,
2008/11/3 Pierre Joye pierre.php@gmail.com
hi,
Hannes Magnusson schrieb:
Speaking of "QA people", how about crediting those who are actually
working on QA and removing the names who haven't been around for years
(I don't even recognized most of those names)?How do you recommend measuring who deserves credit?
Who recommends (and how do they recommend) credit for PHP core?
Who recommends (and how do they recommend) credit for PHP extensions?We have a credits file and new names are added while older/inactive
developers are kept.
.oO( 2 years ago... )
New people are active in the developement, and others became inactive... and
we don't updated the credits list.
What about an update in the credits list (especially in the QA team)? How
will be decided? I guess many people deserve credits (e.g. Dmitry, Pierre,
etc), and this practice doesn't happens since many years.
--
Regards,
Felipe Pena