Retiring PHP's Mirror Program

6 years ago by Derick Rethans — view source — reply

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Hi!

The PHP.net website has in the last 20 years made use of an extensive
network of mirrors_ to make the PHP documentation available, and
distribute source tarballs_. These mirrors have been maintained by
members and companies in the PHP eco-system for many valuable years.
However, the administration of the mirror system is often haphazard,
with few contributors helping out—PHP is Open Source, and this is simply
how these things can go.

Maintaining the mirrors is now no longer sustainable, and also hinders
the take up of moving the PHP.net website fully to HTTPS. Because the
PHP.net team has no access to the mirror servers, we also can't make
sure the mirrors are up-to-date, and some mirrors are still running PHP
5.3 (actually, about 25% still run PHP 5.3!).

It is likely no longer necessary to have a mirror system in place, as
unlike 20 years ago, it is not nearly has hard as setting up a
distributed cache system. As a matter of fact, some of the PHP.net web
site, through http://www.php.net/, already sits behind a Content
Delivery Network (CDN) from Myra_, which is sponsored by long time PHP
contributor Sascha Schumann.

With these preliminaries out of the way, I would therefore like to
announce the discontinuation of PHP.net's mirroring program. Instead of
having mirrors, we are moving all of PHP.net to HTTPS (and get rid of
https://secure.php.net), and move them behind Myra's CDN, with the same
local content delivery opportunities, but at significantly less
administration requirements.

In the next week or so, I will e-mail out a plan on which steps are
necessary for this move. I'd be happy to hear any comments on when the
plan comes out.

To end this email, I would very much like to thank all the mirror
maintainers for their dedication, time, and bandwidth over all these
years. Thanks!

cheers,
Derick

.. _mirrors: http://php.net/mirrors.php
.. _tarballs: http://uk3.php.net/downloads.php
.. _Myra: https://myracloud.com/en/

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6 years ago by Bhavin Chandarana - IndiaLinks — view source — reply

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Its sad to see that mirror program is being discontinued.

It has been our honour to be part of PHP network and community.

Technology has indeed advanced. Every country has better internet infrastructure and bandwidth. CDN of course, does the magic :)

I will be glad to provide any assistance anytime, if required.

Best wishes...

Bhavin Chandarana
IndiaLinks Web Hosting Pvt Ltd

Hi!

The PHP.net website has in the last 20 years made use of an extensive
network of mirrors_ to make the PHP documentation available, and
distribute source tarballs_. These mirrors have been maintained by
members and companies in the PHP eco-system for many valuable years.
However, the administration of the mirror system is often haphazard,
with few contributors helping out—PHP is Open Source, and this is simply
how these things can go.

Maintaining the mirrors is now no longer sustainable, and also hinders
the take up of moving the PHP.net website fully to HTTPS. Because the
PHP.net team has no access to the mirror servers, we also can't make
sure the mirrors are up-to-date, and some mirrors are still running PHP
5.3 (actually, about 25% still run PHP 5.3!).

It is likely no longer necessary to have a mirror system in place, as
unlike 20 years ago, it is not nearly has hard as setting up a
distributed cache system. As a matter of fact, some of the PHP.net web
site, through http://www.php.net/, already sits behind a Content
Delivery Network (CDN) from Myra_, which is sponsored by long time PHP
contributor Sascha Schumann.

With these preliminaries out of the way, I would therefore like to
announce the discontinuation of PHP.net's mirroring program. Instead of
having mirrors, we are moving all of PHP.net to HTTPS (and get rid of
https://secure.php.net), and move them behind Myra's CDN, with the same
local content delivery opportunities, but at significantly less
administration requirements.

In the next week or so, I will e-mail out a plan on which steps are
necessary for this move. I'd be happy to hear any comments on when the
plan comes out.

To end this email, I would very much like to thank all the mirror
maintainers for their dedication, time, and bandwidth over all these
years. Thanks!

cheers,
Derick

.. _mirrors: http://php.net/mirrors.php
.. _tarballs: http://uk3.php.net/downloads.php
.. _Myra: https://myracloud.com/en/

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6 years ago by Levi Morrison — view source — reply

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Any update on this? One commonly requested feature on the downloads
page can be implemented once the mirrors are gone, which is to
directly link to to the file (instead of a Choose a Mirror page).

Hi!

The PHP.net website has in the last 20 years made use of an extensive
network of mirrors_ to make the PHP documentation available, and
distribute source tarballs_. These mirrors have been maintained by
members and companies in the PHP eco-system for many valuable years.
However, the administration of the mirror system is often haphazard,
with few contributors helping out—PHP is Open Source, and this is simply
how these things can go.

Maintaining the mirrors is now no longer sustainable, and also hinders
the take up of moving the PHP.net website fully to HTTPS. Because the
PHP.net team has no access to the mirror servers, we also can't make
sure the mirrors are up-to-date, and some mirrors are still running PHP
5.3 (actually, about 25% still run PHP 5.3!).

It is likely no longer necessary to have a mirror system in place, as
unlike 20 years ago, it is not nearly has hard as setting up a
distributed cache system. As a matter of fact, some of the PHP.net web
site, through http://www.php.net/, already sits behind a Content
Delivery Network (CDN) from Myra_, which is sponsored by long time PHP
contributor Sascha Schumann.

With these preliminaries out of the way, I would therefore like to
announce the discontinuation of PHP.net's mirroring program. Instead of
having mirrors, we are moving all of PHP.net to HTTPS (and get rid of
https://secure.php.net), and move them behind Myra's CDN, with the same
local content delivery opportunities, but at significantly less
administration requirements.

In the next week or so, I will e-mail out a plan on which steps are
necessary for this move. I'd be happy to hear any comments on when the
plan comes out.

To end this email, I would very much like to thank all the mirror
maintainers for their dedication, time, and bandwidth over all these
years. Thanks!

cheers,
Derick

.. _mirrors: http://php.net/mirrors.php
.. _tarballs: http://uk3.php.net/downloads.php
.. _Myra: https://myracloud.com/en/

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6 years ago by Mark Scholten — view source — reply

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Hello,

A timeline would be nice and information on if locally mirroring it (on an internal hostname) will still be possible.

Also it would be nice to know if you will be contacting the rsync mirror maintainers and what you want to do with them.

I've said before and I will repeat again: let me know where I can help and if possible I will.

Kind regards,

Mark Scholten

-----Original Message-----
From: Levi Morrison [mailto:levim@php.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 16:37
To: Derick Rethans
Cc: PHP Developers Mailing List; PHP Mirrors ML
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Retiring PHP's Mirror Program

Any update on this? One commonly requested feature on the downloads
page can be implemented once the mirrors are gone, which is to
directly link to to the file (instead of a Choose a Mirror page).

Hi!

The PHP.net website has in the last 20 years made use of an extensive
network of mirrors_ to make the PHP documentation available, and
distribute source tarballs_. These mirrors have been maintained by
members and companies in the PHP eco-system for many valuable years.
However, the administration of the mirror system is often haphazard,
with few contributors helping out—PHP is Open Source, and this is simply
how these things can go.

Maintaining the mirrors is now no longer sustainable, and also hinders
the take up of moving the PHP.net website fully to HTTPS. Because the
PHP.net team has no access to the mirror servers, we also can't make
sure the mirrors are up-to-date, and some mirrors are still running PHP
5.3 (actually, about 25% still run PHP 5.3!).

It is likely no longer necessary to have a mirror system in place, as
unlike 20 years ago, it is not nearly has hard as setting up a
distributed cache system. As a matter of fact, some of the PHP.net web
site, through http://www.php.net/, already sits behind a Content
Delivery Network (CDN) from Myra_, which is sponsored by long time PHP
contributor Sascha Schumann.

With these preliminaries out of the way, I would therefore like to
announce the discontinuation of PHP.net's mirroring program. Instead of
having mirrors, we are moving all of PHP.net to HTTPS (and get rid of
https://secure.php.net), and move them behind Myra's CDN, with the
same
local content delivery opportunities, but at significantly less
administration requirements.

In the next week or so, I will e-mail out a plan on which steps are
necessary for this move. I'd be happy to hear any comments on when the
plan comes out.

To end this email, I would very much like to thank all the mirror
maintainers for their dedication, time, and bandwidth over all these
years. Thanks!

cheers,
Derick

.. _mirrors: http://php.net/mirrors.php
.. _tarballs: http://uk3.php.net/downloads.php
.. _Myra: https://myracloud.com/en/

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6 years ago by Derick Rethans — view source — reply

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Hi,

The plan is to start rolling this out somewhere in the next two weeks,
pending solving the problem of not 404ing the xx.php.net URLs. What I
would like to do is, to 301 redirect these to the canonical URLs so that
search indexes etc can get updated over time. But, I don't quite know
where to host that service. Turning off the mirror scripts etc is going
to be trivial to do, and our CDN is already set-up to do php.net and
www.php.net (but doesn't get the later traffic yet). I think we want to
scale down our mirroring infrastructure alltogether, although I see a
use for companies being able to run internal mirrors. I do think we
should not have multiple rsync mirrors though. Let me know what you
think and your opinions are.

cheers,
Derick

Hello,

A timeline would be nice and information on if locally mirroring it (on an internal hostname) will still be possible.

Also it would be nice to know if you will be contacting the rsync mirror maintainers and what you want to do with them.

I've said before and I will repeat again: let me know where I can help and if possible I will.

Kind regards,

Mark Scholten

-----Original Message-----
From: Levi Morrison [mailto:levim@php.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 16:37
To: Derick Rethans
Cc: PHP Developers Mailing List; PHP Mirrors ML
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Retiring PHP's Mirror Program

Any update on this? One commonly requested feature on the downloads
page can be implemented once the mirrors are gone, which is to
directly link to to the file (instead of a Choose a Mirror page).

Hi!

The PHP.net website has in the last 20 years made use of an extensive
network of mirrors_ to make the PHP documentation available, and
distribute source tarballs_. These mirrors have been maintained by
members and companies in the PHP eco-system for many valuable years.
However, the administration of the mirror system is often haphazard,
with few contributors helping out—PHP is Open Source, and this is simply
how these things can go.

Maintaining the mirrors is now no longer sustainable, and also hinders
the take up of moving the PHP.net website fully to HTTPS. Because the
PHP.net team has no access to the mirror servers, we also can't make
sure the mirrors are up-to-date, and some mirrors are still running PHP
5.3 (actually, about 25% still run PHP 5.3!).

It is likely no longer necessary to have a mirror system in place, as
unlike 20 years ago, it is not nearly has hard as setting up a
distributed cache system. As a matter of fact, some of the PHP.net web
site, through http://www.php.net/, already sits behind a Content
Delivery Network (CDN) from Myra_, which is sponsored by long time PHP
contributor Sascha Schumann.

With these preliminaries out of the way, I would therefore like to
announce the discontinuation of PHP.net's mirroring program. Instead of
having mirrors, we are moving all of PHP.net to HTTPS (and get rid of
https://secure.php.net), and move them behind Myra's CDN, with the
same
local content delivery opportunities, but at significantly less
administration requirements.

In the next week or so, I will e-mail out a plan on which steps are
necessary for this move. I'd be happy to hear any comments on when the
plan comes out.

To end this email, I would very much like to thank all the mirror
maintainers for their dedication, time, and bandwidth over all these
years. Thanks!

cheers,
Derick

.. _mirrors: http://php.net/mirrors.php
.. _tarballs: http://uk3.php.net/downloads.php
.. _Myra: https://myracloud.com/en/

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6 years ago by Derick Rethans — view source — reply

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Hi Jaime,

I think we can do something like that. Thanks for the support!

cheers,
Derick

Hello team!

I've been happily sponsoring 3 mirrors in 3 countries for several years.

It feels a bit sad to see the mirror program go away. I will be happy to provide any further support to the best of my capacity.

Would you consider having a page for former mirror maintainers to mention them all? Something like a wall of former sponsors.

Several open source projects rely on mirrors to offer downloads and for many of them it's kind of a business card to show which other projects I (we) are supporting already, so having a reference back from PHP.net would be really nice to have. Plus, to be honest, a link back is always appreciated. : - )

Thanks again!

All the best,

Jaime Andres

De: Derick Rethans derick@php.net
Enviado: jueves, 14 de marzo de 2019 20:46
Para: Mark Scholten
Cc: 'PHP Developers Mailing List'; 'PHP Mirrors ML'
Asunto: RE: [PHP-DEV] Retiring PHP's Mirror Program

Hi,

The plan is to start rolling this out somewhere in the next two weeks,
pending solving the problem of not 404ing the xx.php.net URLs. What I
would like to do is, to 301 redirect these to the canonical URLs so that
search indexes etc can get updated over time. But, I don't quite know
where to host that service. Turning off the mirror scripts etc is going
to be trivial to do, and our CDN is already set-up to do php.net and
www.php.net http://www.php.net (but doesn't get the later traffic yet). I think we want to
scale down our mirroring infrastructure alltogether, although I see a
use for companies being able to run internal mirrors. I do think we
should not have multiple rsync mirrors though. Let me know what you
think and your opinions are.

cheers,
Derick

Hello,

A timeline would be nice and information on if locally mirroring it (on an internal hostname) will still be possible.

Also it would be nice to know if you will be contacting the rsync mirror maintainers and what you want to do with them.

I've said before and I will repeat again: let me know where I can help and if possible I will.

Kind regards,

Mark Scholten

-----Original Message-----
From: Levi Morrison [mailto:levim@php.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 16:37
To: Derick Rethans
Cc: PHP Developers Mailing List; PHP Mirrors ML
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Retiring PHP's Mirror Program

Any update on this? One commonly requested feature on the downloads
page can be implemented once the mirrors are gone, which is to
directly link to to the file (instead of a Choose a Mirror page).

Hi!

The PHP.net website has in the last 20 years made use of an extensive
network of mirrors_ to make the PHP documentation available, and
distribute source tarballs_. These mirrors have been maintained by
members and companies in the PHP eco-system for many valuable years.
However, the administration of the mirror system is often haphazard,
with few contributors helping out—PHP is Open Source, and this is simply
how these things can go.

Maintaining the mirrors is now no longer sustainable, and also hinders
the take up of moving the PHP.net website fully to HTTPS. Because the
PHP.net team has no access to the mirror servers, we also can't make
sure the mirrors are up-to-date, and some mirrors are still running PHP
5.3 (actually, about 25% still run PHP 5.3!).

It is likely no longer necessary to have a mirror system in place, as
unlike 20 years ago, it is not nearly has hard as setting up a
distributed cache system. As a matter of fact, some of the PHP.net web
site, through http://www.php.net/, already sits behind a Content
Delivery Network (CDN) from Myra_, which is sponsored by long time PHP
contributor Sascha Schumann.

With these preliminaries out of the way, I would therefore like to
announce the discontinuation of PHP.net's mirroring program. Instead of
having mirrors, we are moving all of PHP.net to HTTPS (and get rid of
https://secure.php.net), and move them behind Myra's CDN, with the
same
local content delivery opportunities, but at significantly less
administration requirements.

In the next week or so, I will e-mail out a plan on which steps are
necessary for this move. I'd be happy to hear any comments on when the
plan comes out.

To end this email, I would very much like to thank all the mirror
maintainers for their dedication, time, and bandwidth over all these
years. Thanks!

cheers,
Derick

.. _mirrors: http://php.net/mirrors.php
.. _tarballs: http://uk3.php.net/downloads.php
.. _Myra: https://myracloud.com/en/

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6 years ago by Derick Rethans — view source — reply

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Hi,

Just an update: our CDN now accepts mirror URLs as well, so we can
potentially start swapping DNS. I would like to do that a country at a
time. Mark, would you mind if I do that with nl1.php.net (and nl3)
first?

Actually, that already happens :-)

$ wget http://nl1.php.net/

--2019-03-28 11:50:16-- http://nl1.php.net/
Resolving nl1.php.net (nl1.php.net)... 185.85.0.29
Connecting to nl1.php.net (nl1.php.net)|185.85.0.29|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
Location: https://php.net/ [following]

--2019-03-28 11:50:16-- https://php.net/
Resolving php.net (php.net)... 185.85.0.29, 2a02:cb40:200::1ad
Connecting to php.net (php.net)|185.85.0.29|:443... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
Location: https://www.php.net/ [following]

--2019-03-28 11:50:16-- https://www.php.net/
Resolving www.php.net (www.php.net)... 185.85.0.29, 2a02:cb40:200::1ad
Connecting to www.php.net (www.php.net)|185.85.0.29|:443... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: unspecified [text/html]

I guess Sascha changed it.

cheers,
Derick

Hi,

The plan is to start rolling this out somewhere in the next two weeks,
pending solving the problem of not 404ing the xx.php.net URLs. What I
would like to do is, to 301 redirect these to the canonical URLs so that
search indexes etc can get updated over time. But, I don't quite know
where to host that service. Turning off the mirror scripts etc is going
to be trivial to do, and our CDN is already set-up to do php.net and
www.php.net (but doesn't get the later traffic yet). I think we want to
scale down our mirroring infrastructure alltogether, although I see a
use for companies being able to run internal mirrors. I do think we
should not have multiple rsync mirrors though. Let me know what you
think and your opinions are.

cheers,
Derick

Hello,

A timeline would be nice and information on if locally mirroring it (on an internal hostname) will still be possible.

Also it would be nice to know if you will be contacting the rsync mirror maintainers and what you want to do with them.

I've said before and I will repeat again: let me know where I can help and if possible I will.

Kind regards,

Mark Scholten

-----Original Message-----
From: Levi Morrison [mailto:levim@php.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 16:37
To: Derick Rethans
Cc: PHP Developers Mailing List; PHP Mirrors ML
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Retiring PHP's Mirror Program

Any update on this? One commonly requested feature on the downloads
page can be implemented once the mirrors are gone, which is to
directly link to to the file (instead of a Choose a Mirror page).

Hi!

The PHP.net website has in the last 20 years made use of an extensive
network of mirrors_ to make the PHP documentation available, and
distribute source tarballs_. These mirrors have been maintained by
members and companies in the PHP eco-system for many valuable years.
However, the administration of the mirror system is often haphazard,
with few contributors helping out—PHP is Open Source, and this is simply
how these things can go.

Maintaining the mirrors is now no longer sustainable, and also hinders
the take up of moving the PHP.net website fully to HTTPS. Because the
PHP.net team has no access to the mirror servers, we also can't make
sure the mirrors are up-to-date, and some mirrors are still running PHP
5.3 (actually, about 25% still run PHP 5.3!).

It is likely no longer necessary to have a mirror system in place, as
unlike 20 years ago, it is not nearly has hard as setting up a
distributed cache system. As a matter of fact, some of the PHP.net web
site, through http://www.php.net/, already sits behind a Content
Delivery Network (CDN) from Myra_, which is sponsored by long time PHP
contributor Sascha Schumann.

With these preliminaries out of the way, I would therefore like to
announce the discontinuation of PHP.net's mirroring program. Instead of
having mirrors, we are moving all of PHP.net to HTTPS (and get rid of
https://secure.php.net), and move them behind Myra's CDN, with the
same
local content delivery opportunities, but at significantly less
administration requirements.

In the next week or so, I will e-mail out a plan on which steps are
necessary for this move. I'd be happy to hear any comments on when the
plan comes out.

To end this email, I would very much like to thank all the mirror
maintainers for their dedication, time, and bandwidth over all these
years. Thanks!

cheers,
Derick

.. _mirrors: http://php.net/mirrors.php
.. _tarballs: http://uk3.php.net/downloads.php
.. _Myra: https://myracloud.com/en/

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6 years ago by Sascha Schumann — view source — reply

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Hi Derick,

there is no * or nl1 record in the php.net zone, so I cannot change it.

I guess that it is done on the easydns side.

Cheers
Sascha

6 years ago by Derick Rethans — view source — reply

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Hi Derick,

there is no * or nl1 record in the php.net zone, so I cannot change it.

I guess that it is done on the easydns side.

There is a nl1 record in our zone that we generate from our master
database with the /local/systems/maintain-master-dns.php script on
master.php.net

This puts the /local/mirrors/php-master-web/fetch/php.net.zone on the
master.php.net filesystem:

…
nl IN A 94.142.242.175
nl1.php.net. IN CNAME php.streamservice.nl.
nl IN A 94.142.242.175
nl3.php.net. IN CNAME php.nederland.net.
…

And EasyDNS fetches that zone file I believe.
So I guess we (I) need to modify that script to not CNAME these to the
respective mirrors, but instead to star-php-net.ax4z.com. instead? I can
work on that (tomorrow).

cheers,
Derick

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6 years ago by Sascha Schumann — view source — reply

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So I guess we (I) need to modify that script to not CNAME these to the
respective mirrors, but instead to star-php-net.ax4z.com. instead? I can
work on that (tomorrow).

Sounds good.

Sascha

6 years ago by Derick Rethans — view source — reply

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Hi,

I've just pushed the changes to the PHP website live, and fixed the
apache config on php-web3, as it still had "php.net" as ServerName and
"www.php.net"; as ServerAlias — I did commit that to the local GIT
repo.

Things seem to look fine, so are you OK with my switching away DNS from
the mirrors in the mid-afternoon (15:00 BST)?

cheers,
Derick

So I guess we (I) need to modify that script to not CNAME these to the
respective mirrors, but instead to star-php-net.ax4z.com. instead? I can
work on that (tomorrow).

Sounds good.

Sascha

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6 years ago by Robert Hickman — view source — reply

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Is there any reason not to use 'php.net' raw without the 'www'?

Hi,

I've just pushed the changes to the PHP website live, and fixed the
apache config on php-web3, as it still had "php.net" as ServerName and
"www.php.net"; as ServerAlias — I did commit that to the local GIT
repo.

Things seem to look fine, so are you OK with my switching away DNS from
the mirrors in the mid-afternoon (15:00 BST)?

cheers,
Derick

So I guess we (I) need to modify that script to not CNAME these to the
respective mirrors, but instead to star-php-net.ax4z.com. instead? I can
work on that (tomorrow).

Sounds good.

Sascha

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6 years ago by Peter Kokot — view source — reply

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Hello,

Is there any reason not to use 'php.net' raw without the 'www'?

Additional question: Can we maybe get an insight of a canonical,
recommended URL which should be used now? Is this www.php.,net or is
it php.net without www.

Worth noting that now both domains result in 200 OK (previously there
was a redirection done from php.net to www.php.net):
curl -IL https://www.php.net
curl -IL https://php.net

Thank you...

Peter Kokot

6 years ago by Derick Rethans — view source — reply

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Is there any reason not to use 'php.net' raw without the 'www'?

Yes, it has to with DNS delegation.

Additional question: Can we maybe get an insight of a canonical,
recommended URL which should be used now? Is this www.php.,net or is
it php.net without www.

https://www.php.net

Worth noting that now both domains result in 200 OK (previously there
was a redirection done from php.net to www.php.net):
curl -IL https://www.php.net
curl -IL https://php.net

The second one should redirect. I'll have a look next week why it
doesn't do that.

cheers,
Derick

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Retiring PHP's Mirror Program

cheers, Derick

Thank you...

cheers,
Derick