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I guess the question is whether we want to deprecate the automatic array
creation at some point as E_STRICT is meant for that case. Otherwise we
are abusing E_STRICT and might render it unusable to some degree.

I was also under the impression that E_STRICT was for depreciated items.
If there is some sort of agreement that automagic array construction is
a bad thing*, then I believe it should be E_NOTICE.

John

• • Personally, I tend to disagree that there is a need for a warning,
    it just seems like another difference between PHP 4 and PHP 5 that
    really doesn't buy people much.

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Won't you then have to recursively initialise multiple dimension arrays?

$a = array();
$a[0] = array();

Otherwise, isn't this implicitly creating arrays? (I didn't quite understand
the last time)

Jevon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Garber" jason@ionzoft.com
To: internals@lists.php.net
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Implicit Arrays and E_STRICT

I would view implicit array creation as a slightly negative thing, similar
to accessing the value of a variable that does not exist.

We run in E_ALL mode and write our code to avoid all E_NOTICEs. For
instance, before using an array, I always initialize it using $aItems =
array();

I'm in favor of issuing an E_NOTICE in response to this.

~Jason

At 5/8/2004 12:43 AM +0200, Marcus Boerger wrote:

Hello Sara,

i like to see one of those too and i have no preference for one of them.

marcus

Friday, May 7, 2004, 11:05:15 PM, you wrote:

This topic got quietly dropped last week, but I'd like to make one
last
plea. I'd like to see Zend throw an E_STRICT when arrays are
implicitly
created. I know there were objections to E_NOTICE, but did anyone
have
violent objections to E_STRICT?

-Sara

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Marcus mailto:helly@php.net

This topic got quietly dropped last week, but I'd like to make one
last
plea. I'd like to see Zend throw an E_STRICT when arrays are
implicitly
created. I know there were objections to E_NOTICE, but did anyone
have
violent objections to E_STRICT?

i like to see one of those too and i have no preference for one of them.

I would view implicit array creation as a slightly negative thing, similar
to accessing the value of a variable that does not exist.

We run in E_ALL mode and write our code to avoid all E_NOTICEs. For
instance, before using an array, I always initialize it using $aItems =
array();

I'm in favor of issuing an E_NOTICE in response to this.

As Andi stated in the earlier incarnation of this thread (I think it was
Andi), making an E_NOTICE will cause sudden errror generation in previously
E_ALL safe code.

While I personally would rather see E_NOTICE used, I can certainly
understand the desire to tread lightly on what has long been considered a
"feature" of PHP. That's why I think that E_STRICT qualifies as an
effective compromise between encouraging good coding practices and avoiding
BC breaking changes which add little to actual scrript execution.

-Sarra

Hi Sara,

I don't think any error message should be thrown during implicit array
creation. Not having to define your variables is one of the main principles
of the PHP language. I definitely don't think this should be changed. I
also don't see how this differs very much from a regular assignment to an
undefined variable (e.g. $var = 2; ).

I think making this an error, even an E_STRICT is a very bad move.
Andi

At 06:39 PM 5/7/2004 -0700, Sara Golemon wrote:

This topic got quietly dropped last week, but I'd like to make one
last
plea. I'd like to see Zend throw an E_STRICT when arrays are
implicitly
created. I know there were objections to E_NOTICE, but did anyone
have
violent objections to E_STRICT?

i like to see one of those too and i have no preference for one of them.

I would view implicit array creation as a slightly negative thing, similar
to accessing the value of a variable that does not exist.

We run in E_ALL mode and write our code to avoid all E_NOTICEs. For
instance, before using an array, I always initialize it using $aItems =
array();

I'm in favor of issuing an E_NOTICE in response to this.

As Andi stated in the earlier incarnation of this thread (I think it was
Andi), making an E_NOTICE will cause sudden errror generation in previously
E_ALL safe code.

While I personally would rather see E_NOTICE used, I can certainly
understand the desire to tread lightly on what has long been considered a
"feature" of PHP. That's why I think that E_STRICT qualifies as an
effective compromise between encouraging good coding practices and avoiding
BC breaking changes which add little to actual scrript execution.

-Sarra