Sent: Friday, September 09, 2016 10:08 AM
To: Tony Marston
Cc: PHP Internals
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecate PEAR/PECL & Replace with composer/pickle
- szept. 9. 10:44 ezt írta ("Tony Marston" tonymarston@hotmail.com):
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 9:35 AM
To: Tony Marston
Cc: PHP Internals
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecate PEAR/PECL & Replace with composer/pickle"Michael Morris" wrote in message news:CAEUnE0dfjJ02g2Rhkp9WvnkSXpoLzjK=TMiVDBSuCccgxW2mBw@mail.gmail.com...
On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 3:52 AM, Tony Marston TonyMarston@hotmail.com
wrote:Typical. You create a useful tool, get your users hooked, then walk away
and leave them dangling.No one owes you anything. You aren't entitled to get free updates to a free
tool. If the author wants to move onto other projects, that's their
prerogative. Stop with the bombastic and abusive tone towards everyone,
particularly the developers, on this list.Please point out to me any words I have used which a reasonable person would class as "abusive".
"Incorrect. There is a web interface which I use EXCLUSIVELY to maintain the contents of my PEAR library. Any proposed replacement which does not have a web interface I'm afraid is totally unacceptable. Command line interfaces went out of fashion when the Windows OS was first released, and anyone who still insists on using one has not joined the rest of the world in the 21st century."
I repeat, show me any personal insults in what I wrote. All I see are “fair comments”.
you inject your subjective opinion/anecdotal evidence as an objective fact and trying to kill the discussion instead of contributing to it.
as you mentioned there is a pear package which provides a web interface for managing pear packages, but that isn't part of the pear core and hence not bundled by the php project atm, so I don't think that it is a valid argument for requiring to bundle a gui interface for composer. if people need a web interface there will be a web interface (maybe there is one already: https://github.com/composer-ui/composer-ui ) which they can install via composer."Just because SOME people still like using a command line interface does not mean that they can force everyone else to use it. If any piece of 21st century does not come with a web/GUI interface it just shows that the author is still living in the past and is incapable of serving the needs of today's users."
first you are arguing in bad faith (eg. that anybody/everybody here is trying to sabotage those who would prefer a gui over a command line), then you start namecalling those who would prefer command line over gui (which is btw. plain wrong in the age of configuration management and immutable deployment where being able to have automated and reproducible deployments is a key)
I repeat, show me any personal insults in what I wrote. All I see are “fair comments”.
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Tony MarstonYour original request was "Please point out to me any words I have used which a reasonable person would class as "abusive".",
now you are moving the goalpost to personal insults (which for the record still happened when calling people living in the past and such for using cli tools), which again shows that you are arguing in bad faith.
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As far as I am concerned the mailing list rules do not allow such things as personal insults and abuse. Show me any words that I have used which can be classed as either of those. You may perceive my comments to be insulting and abusive, but that just shows that your perception is warped. The rules do not prohibit dissenting opinions, so stop complaining that my opinion is different from yours.
It is NOT insulting to say that people who still insist on using command line tools are living in the past for the simple reason that the command line interface was replaced with the GUI when the Windows OS was released in the 1990s. That is 25 years ago. Is that in the past or what? Without a GUI Windows would not be the success it is today.
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Tony Marston