On voting, including the next release name.

I propose that a poll's results tabulation be hidden until after the poll
closes to avoid this Bandwagon Effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandwagon_effect. Otherwise, how do we know
the vote reflects just the presented arguments instead of the arguments
and the weight of popularity?

I might be wrong, but I think someone tried, but was asked to revert the
change soon after.

I would also expect that people who have voting rights on the wiki are
mature enough to vote based on their own knowledge and experience, and
not only because someone else voted a certain way (or didn't). Speaking
for myself if I don't have an opinion on some RFCs, I just avoid voting.

About this specific RFC, are you trying to suggest that 7 is leading (49
vs 21 atm) because of the bandwagon effect and we should restart the vote?

/me facepalm ;)

Cheers

Matteo Beccati

Development & Consulting - http://www.beccati.com/

I just voted on the next release name https://wiki.php.net/rfc/php6. If
you have, too: thank you. If you haven't, I encourage you to do so.

The way voting works now, I happen to know which option is "winning". I
happened to know that before I cast my vote. The current results are
posted on the RFC, and the same information percolated into emails
encouraging folks to vote. I wonder, though, if knowing which was "leading"
and who chose which "side" affected my vote....

I propose that a poll's results tabulation be hidden until after the poll
closes to avoid this Bandwagon Effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandwagon_effect. Otherwise, how do we
know
the vote reflects just the presented arguments instead of the arguments
and the weight of popularity?

We tried this [1], and it was promptly reverted [2].

Sincerely,
bishop

[1] https://github.com/php/web-wiki/pull/1
[2] http://markmail.org/thread/3tk3ayjy54mviuig

Hi!

The way voting works now, I happen to know which option is "winning". I
happened to know that before I cast my vote. The current results are
posted on the RFC, and the same information percolated into emails
encouraging folks to vote. I wonder, though, if knowing which was "leading"
and who chose which "side" affected my vote....

If you're not sure which side is right and you just want to side with
one that is currently winning, then why vote at all? It is currently
winning in any case, so your vote is not required, and you obviously not
sure which option is right anyway.

I propose that a poll's results tabulation be hidden until after the poll

We already discussed it, and it was rejected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandwagon_effect. Otherwise, how do we know
the vote reflects just the presented arguments instead of the arguments
and the weight of popularity?

If you are not sure if you understand the matter enough to have an
informed opinion and not just jump on the bandwagon, please refrain from
voting.

Thanks,

Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect
SugarCRM: http://www.sugarcrm.com/

The way voting works now, I happen to know which option is "winning". I
happened to know that before I cast my vote. The current results are
posted on the RFC, and the same information percolated into emails
encouraging folks to vote. I wonder, though, if knowing which was "leading"
and who chose which "side" affected my vote....

(This is hardly an internals topic, and I'm hesitant to reply on this list, but…)
FWIW, I think it's valuable to see what other people have voted. For example, if I'm looking over an RFC and see that my opinion is in opposition to someone else I respect in the community, it may cause me to reconsider. (e.g. if I noticed that I'd voted against Sara's vote, it would make me wonder what I missed).

S