[VOTE] Allow non-variable arguments to empty() View as Markdown

Ugh I hate to throw a POO into this, but....

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Nikita Popov nikita.ppv@googlemail.com
wrote:

Hey internals :)

As there doesn't seem to be any further discussion regarding my RFC,
I've opened the vote:

https://wiki.php.net/rfc/empty_isset_exprs#vote

Nikita

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"There'd be a minimum of 2 weeks between when an RFC that touches the
language is brought up on this list and when it's voted on is required.
Other RFCs might use a smaller timeframe, but it should be at least a week."

(from http://wiki.php.net/rfc/voting)

From what I can tell, you first created the topic on this 6 days ago.  Even
if this didn't touch the language (which I think it does), voting would not
be permissible yet.

For the record, I do plan to vote yes on this and I think the voting rules
should be amended to allow for sooner voting if discussion has ended.  But
until such amendments are made, are we really comfortable setting a
precedent of just ignoring the policy whenever it proves inconvenient?  I
know I've been a bit of a lightning rod recently but I really think we
should make a decision on how we want to handle this.  Personally, I'm a big
fan of having consistent procedures and defined parameters.  But if we're
going to treat the voting RFC as binding or non-binding, I just think we
should overtly express a collective position on that here.

I'll refrain from voting on this until other people have had a chance to
weigh-in on this concern.  I think we basically have three choices:  Cancel
the vote on this RFC and wait until the 2 weeks have passed, come to a
decision that the rules in the voting RFC are non-binding, or (and this
would be my preference) let it slide this time with the understanding that
we'll add clarifying language to the voting procedure in the forseeable
future.

....And in the interest of making people not want to murder me and feed my
entrails to a pack of wild ferrets, I'll shut up now.  ;)

I've asked about this on IRC and it seems like there is no problem
opening the vote now. Quoting:

"The purpose of the waiting period is to allow time for discussion
instead of rushing things before someone can find a problem. The
discussion having died and this being a simple change, I don't see the
problem with opening the vote now. Only a strict formalist like Kris
would interpret rules while ignoring their purpose."

Thanks,
Nikita

"There'd be a minimum of 2 weeks between when an RFC that touches the
language is brought up on this list and when it's voted on is required.
Other RFCs might use a smaller timeframe, but it should be at least a week."

Now already more than two weeks passed since the RFC announcement, so
lets say that the vote starts now.

https://wiki.php.net/rfc/empty_isset_exprs#vote

Nikita

PS: As there was no discussion between my initial vote announcement
and this one, I didn't see a reason to reset the vote.