Pierre Joye wrote:
I see no point to discuss solutions for some unknown entities willing
to contribute when they do not consider to introduce themselves. When
they don't explain clearly why we should do the move and what will be
the actual gains for us (read: for "us" not for them). Until a step in
this/our direction is not done, I will not see a point to think about
solutions as it means they don't really care about us but Zend and
associates (as they seem to communicate only with them as far as I
understand).
That you! That is precisely the point.
Open Source is about participiation.
That means introducing yourself, company and/or person, to the other
community members and integrating yourself into existing processes. So far
none of the companies allegedly interested into participiation have sent any
emissaries to this list, or if they have, they have not made themselves
visible at all (nor is this list being announced on
http://www.php.net/mailing-lists.php for that matter).
They have also not stated the need for any process change themselves, and why
that would be necessary to enable them to participiate at all - there have
been company contributions to the PHP core before and none of these companies
had any problems doing so whatsoever.
Open Source is about participiation.
And the enabler for participiation is low transaction cost. I see something
that needs change. I can do the change. Actually, doing the change and
comitting it somewhere is easier than to describe my wishes to somebody else
and have them do it. That is why the part of Open Source that works works at
all.
The change to PECL requested by these invisible parties would make
participiation more costly. It breaks the update-change-compile-test-commit
cycle, in part even so much that it requires transactions outside of the net,
and getting legal advice from your own lawyer.
So the discussion we have here comes down to severely breaking the Open Source
development model at the base. We would be exchanging a free and open
community for some kind of "managed freedom" to accomodate parties who have
not even cared to introduce themselves.
Why would anybody want to do that?
Kris
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