I found a patch by Derick online to allow for scalar type hinting, and
made it work with the newest snapshot of PHP 5.3. I also added the
ability to type hint for resources. I would like to ask that it be added
to the next PHP release. It allows type hinting for int, float, bool,
string, resource, and object, I also added the ability to use the
secondary keywords for all of these types (such as double, real, long,
etc.).
It will maintain 100% backwards compatibility, as the type hinting is
100% optional, implemented in the same way as array/class type hinting.
I have the patch on my PC, please let me know where and when i can
submit it. I'd be happy to do the patching and submission myself, just
asking for permission here.
I found a patch by Derick online to allow for scalar type hinting, and
made it work with the newest snapshot of PHP 5.3. I also added the
ability to type hint for resources. I would like to ask that it be added
to the next PHP release. It allows type hinting for int, float, bool,
string, resource, and object, I also added the ability to use the
secondary keywords for all of these types (such as double, real, long,
etc.).It will maintain 100% backwards compatibility, as the type hinting is
100% optional, implemented in the same way as array/class type hinting.I have the patch on my PC, please let me know where and when i can
submit it. I'd be happy to do the patching and submission myself, just
asking for permission here.
What happens for type conversion? Is the param cast to the hinted type?
The idea of type hinting for array and class is to make sure you get
something appropriate.
Rarely would you think of an array and cast it as an integer (or vice
versa), so it makes sense.
But with a string ("0"), an integer (0) or a boolean (false), they are
all the same, so does this mean we would be having to cast all the
params to the function/method?
--
Richard Quadling
Zend Certified Engineer : http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498&r=213474731
"Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants!"
Richard Quadling wrote:
I found a patch by Derick online to allow for scalar type hinting, and
made it work with the newest snapshot of PHP 5.3. I also added the
ability to type hint for resources. I would like to ask that it be added
to the next PHP release. It allows type hinting for int, float, bool,
string, resource, and object, I also added the ability to use the
secondary keywords for all of these types (such as double, real, long,
etc.).It will maintain 100% backwards compatibility, as the type hinting is
100% optional, implemented in the same way as array/class type hinting.I have the patch on my PC, please let me know where and when i can
submit it. I'd be happy to do the patching and submission myself, just
asking for permission here.What happens for type conversion? Is the param cast to the hinted type?
The idea of type hinting for array and class is to make sure you get
something appropriate.Rarely would you think of an array and cast it as an integer (or vice
versa), so it makes sense.But with a string ("0"), an integer (0) or a boolean (false), they are
all the same, so does this mean we would be having to cast all the
params to the function/method?
I imagine that it will behave the same was as the other type hinting and
just bomb out if the incoming data is of the wrong type. It kind of
defeats the purpose of type "hinting" if it's really just type "casting"
in the method call.
To your point, I think it would really only help those OCD developers
among us who always use === and try to make PHP behave like a strongly
typed language.
Jeremy Privett
C.E.O. & C.S.A.
Omega Vortex Corporation
Hello Sam,
we discussed this a million times already I think. And the conclusion is
to not allow type hinting for base types.
marcus
Thursday, November 15, 2007, 4:27:17 PM, you wrote:
I found a patch by Derick online to allow for scalar type hinting, and
made it work with the newest snapshot of PHP 5.3. I also added the
ability to type hint for resources. I would like to ask that it be added
to the next PHP release. It allows type hinting for int, float, bool,
string, resource, and object, I also added the ability to use the
secondary keywords for all of these types (such as double, real, long,
etc.).
It will maintain 100% backwards compatibility, as the type hinting is
100% optional, implemented in the same way as array/class type hinting.
I have the patch on my PC, please let me know where and when i can
submit it. I'd be happy to do the patching and submission myself, just
asking for permission here.
Best regards,
Marcus
we discussed this a million times already I think. And the conclusion is
to not allow type hinting for base types.
I am actually thinking that it might be a good thing to add more and
more. I know my quick hack isn't the best implementation though.
Derick
--
Derick Rethans
http://derickrethans.nl | http://ez.no | http://xdebug.org
2007/11/18, Derick Rethans derick@php.net:
I am actually thinking that it might be a good thing to add more and
more. I know my quick hack isn't the best implementation though.
Yes and it is an alternative and not a mandatory thing to use.. as long as :
<?php
function foo(int $num) {
return $num
}
foo("12345") // emit fatal error, NOT accept it as valid integer
all is fine and Im all for it ;)
2007/11/18, Derick Rethans derick@php.net:
I am actually thinking that it might be a good thing to add more and
more. I know my quick hack isn't the best implementation though.Yes and it is an alternative and not a mandatory thing to use.. as long as :
<?php
function foo(int $num) {
return $num}
foo("12345") // emit fatal error, NOT accept it as valid integer
all is fine and Im all for it ;)
I was thinking at something along the lines of objects also for instance:
$i = new Integer(33);
function foo(Integer $var) {
}
foo ($i); else it emits a fatal error. But also if you do
$i = "Name"; that would emit a fatal error because the value is
suposed to be an int. This might look a bit too much like java, but as
an extension it could be something quite interesting I believe.
String, Object, Integer, Scalar, Float and what else.
So thinking of something like
$string = new String("Foo");
$string = "bar" or $string->setValue("Bar"); would do
$float = new Float(4.242);
$float->setValue('foobar'); // That emits an error
$float->setValue(3.14159);
echo $float; (__toString) or echo $float->getValue; to echo it's content/value
and so on.
Would that be "too" java-ish to be something considered in php6 ? ;-)
--
--
David Coallier,
Founder & Software Architect,
Agora Production (http://agoraproduction.com)
51.42.06.70.18
I have thought about this, using obects for all variables, but all of
the extra code amounts to alot in a large application, and when using
hundreds of small strings and integers scattered throughtout your
application, this would cause a serious performance drop.
2007/11/18, Derick Rethans derick@php.net:
I am actually thinking that it might be a good thing to add more and
more. I know my quick hack isn't the best implementation though.Yes and it is an alternative and not a mandatory thing to use.. as long as :
<?php
function foo(int $num) {
return $num}
foo("12345") // emit fatal error, NOT accept it as valid integer
all is fine and Im all for it ;)
I was thinking at something along the lines of objects also for instance:
$i = new Integer(33);
function foo(Integer $var) {
}foo ($i); else it emits a fatal error. But also if you do
$i = "Name"; that would emit a fatal error because the value is
suposed to be an int. This might look a bit too much like java, but as
an extension it could be something quite interesting I believe.String, Object, Integer, Scalar, Float and what else.
So thinking of something like
$string = new String("Foo");
$string = "bar" or $string->setValue("Bar"); would do$float = new Float(4.242);
$float->setValue('foobar'); // That emits an error
$float->setValue(3.14159);echo $float; (__toString) or echo $float->getValue; to echo it's content/value
and so on.
Would that be "too" java-ish to be something considered in php6 ? ;-)
--
--
David Coallier,
Founder & Software Architect,
Agora Production (http://agoraproduction.com)
51.42.06.70.18
I was thinking at something along the lines of objects also for instance:
$i = new Integer(33);
function foo(Integer $var) {
}foo ($i); else it emits a fatal error. But also if you do
$i = "Name"; that would emit a fatal error because the value is
suposed to be an int. This might look a bit too much like java, but as
an extension it could be something quite interesting I believe.String, Object, Integer, Scalar, Float and what else.
So thinking of something like
$string = new String("Foo");
$string = "bar" or $string->setValue("Bar"); would do$float = new Float(4.242);
$float->setValue('foobar'); // That emits an error
$float->setValue(3.14159);echo $float; (__toString) or echo $float->getValue; to echo it's content/value
and so on.
That has got to be the worst idea I've heard on internals for over a month.
Besides, you can do this in userland already anyway:
<?php
class InvalidTypeException extends Exception {}
class UnknownTypeException extends Exception {}
class Types {
const INTEGER = 1;
const FLOAT = 2;
const STRING = 3;
const OBJECT = 4;
const BOOLEAN = 5;
private $val, $type;
public function __construct($val, $type) {
$this->type = $type;
$this->setValue($val);
}
public function setValue($val) {
switch($this->type) {
case self::INTEGER:
if (!is_int($val)) {
throw new InvalidTypeException;
}
break;
case self::FLOAT:
if (!is_float($val)) {
throw new InvalidTypeException;
}
break;
case self::STRING:
if (!is_string($val)) {
throw new InvalidTypeException;
}
break;
case self::OBJECT:
if (!is_object($val)) {
throw new InvalidTypeException;
}
break;
case self::BOOLEAN:
if (!is_bool($val)) {
throw new InvalidTypeException;
}
break;
default:
throw new UnknownTypeException;
}
$this->val = $val;
}
public function getValue() {
return $this->val;
}
public function __toString() {
return (string)$this->getValue();
}
}
class Integer extends Types {
public function __construct($val) {
parent::__construct($val, Types::INTEGER);
}
}
class String extends Types {
public function __construct($val) {
parent::__construct($val, Types::STRING);
}
}
class Float extends Types {
public function __construct($val) {
parent::__construct($val, Types::FLOAT);
}
}
class Object extends Types {
public function __construct($val) {
parent::__construct($val, Types::OBJECT);
}
}
class Boolean extends Types {
public function __construct($val) {
parent::__construct($val, Types::BOOLEAN);
}
}
function type_hint_integer(Integer $val) {
echo $val, "\n";
}
function type_hint_string(String $val) {
echo $val, "\n";
}
function type_hint_float(Float $val) {
echo $val, "\n";
}
type_hint_integer(new Integer(123));
type_hint_string(new String("string"));
type_hint_float(new Float(0.25));
-Hannes
I was thinking at something along the lines of objects also for instance:
$i = new Integer(33);
function foo(Integer $var) {
}foo ($i); else it emits a fatal error. But also if you do
$i = "Name"; that would emit a fatal error because the value is
suposed to be an int. This might look a bit too much like java, but as
an extension it could be something quite interesting I believe.String, Object, Integer, Scalar, Float and what else.
So thinking of something like
$string = new String("Foo");
$string = "bar" or $string->setValue("Bar"); would do$float = new Float(4.242);
$float->setValue('foobar'); // That emits an error
$float->setValue(3.14159);echo $float; (__toString) or echo $float->getValue; to echo it's content/value
and so on.
That has got to be the worst idea I've heard on internals for over a month.
Besides, you can do this in userland already anyway:
haha :) Yes, you can do many things in userland.
<?php
class InvalidTypeException extends Exception {}
class UnknownTypeException extends Exception {}class Types {
const INTEGER = 1;
const FLOAT = 2;
const STRING = 3;
const OBJECT = 4;
const BOOLEAN = 5;private $val, $type; public function __construct($val, $type) { $this->type = $type; $this->setValue($val); } public function setValue($val) { switch($this->type) { case self::INTEGER: if (!is_int($val)) { throw new InvalidTypeException; } break; case self::FLOAT: if (!is_float($val)) { throw new InvalidTypeException; } break; case self::STRING: if (!is_string($val)) { throw new InvalidTypeException; } break; case self::OBJECT: if (!is_object($val)) { throw new InvalidTypeException; } break; case self::BOOLEAN: if (!is_bool($val)) { throw new InvalidTypeException; } break; default: throw new UnknownTypeException; } $this->val = $val; } public function getValue() { return $this->val; } public function __toString() { return (string)$this->getValue(); }
}
class Integer extends Types {
public function __construct($val) {
parent::__construct($val, Types::INTEGER);
}
}
class String extends Types {
public function __construct($val) {
parent::__construct($val, Types::STRING);
}
}
class Float extends Types {
public function __construct($val) {
parent::__construct($val, Types::FLOAT);
}
}
class Object extends Types {
public function __construct($val) {
parent::__construct($val, Types::OBJECT);
}
}
class Boolean extends Types {
public function __construct($val) {
parent::__construct($val, Types::BOOLEAN);
}
}
function type_hint_integer(Integer $val) {
echo $val, "\n";
}
function type_hint_string(String $val) {
echo $val, "\n";
}
function type_hint_float(Float $val) {
echo $val, "\n";
}type_hint_integer(new Integer(123));
type_hint_string(new String("string"));
type_hint_float(new Float(0.25));
Nice implementation, so ? Still more code to include in your code.
Anyways, the "Optional" part in the subject means ... optional. Which
means that it does not have to be used and that the default hinting
will still be loose.
That gives the chance to anyone to use either strongly-typed code or
loosely-typed code. You know as much as I do that it's quite easy to
do (implement - like you just did), but if it's not in by default,
people won't care about doing it or implementing it.
On the other hand, if it's there, some people might be tempted to use
it, and will. But hey.. php's a loosely typed language and it'll
definitely stay that way. But only giving the choice to someone to use
what he feels like is quite interesting in my opinion.
Anyways, no need to get all grumpy, you can just say you don't like
the idea, that'll do just as well. Anyways, that was a thought, it's
quite easy to implement as an extension and would be light and simple
for anyone to either use or ignore it.
-Hannes
--
David Coallier,
Founder & Software Architect,
Agora Production (http://agoraproduction.com)
51.42.06.70.18
I both like and dislike the fact that PHP is so loosely typed. It makes
it very easy, which I like, however it is sometimes not strict enough,
allowing for undetected errors, which of course I don't like.
I think the ideal solution here is to make it a hybrid type of language,
where typing is dynamic, but still controllable using type hinting. You
can use whichever you want where you want. Functions can have 3
parameters, two hinted and one not.
Keep in mind this is not strict typing. Key word: "hinting".
If all is 100% optional, your application can take advantage of the
flexibility of dynamic typing in places where it's needed, and also take
advantage of the control that type hinting gives you where it's
appropriate. Most languages either allow you to do whatever you want,
making some code chaotic and some bugs harder to detect, whereas some
are the complete opposite, imposing very strict limits on your
variables, and severely limiting your flexibility. PHP could be the
middle ground, with maximum flexibility, but also maximum control.
I'm currently using my type hinting patch with PHP 5.3 for an
application I'm working on with about 10,000 lines of code and hundreds
of functions, big and small. I'm using type hinting in most of the
functions, but not all. It's been very helpful so far, especially with
the "scalar" and "number" type hints.
I was thinking at something along the lines of objects also for instance:
$i = new Integer(33);
function foo(Integer $var) {
}foo ($i); else it emits a fatal error. But also if you do
$i = "Name"; that would emit a fatal error because the value is
suposed to be an int. This might look a bit too much like java, but as
an extension it could be something quite interesting I believe.String, Object, Integer, Scalar, Float and what else.
So thinking of something like
$string = new String("Foo");
$string = "bar" or $string->setValue("Bar"); would do$float = new Float(4.242);
$float->setValue('foobar'); // That emits an error
$float->setValue(3.14159);echo $float; (__toString) or echo $float->getValue; to echo it's content/value
and so on.
That has got to be the worst idea I've heard on internals for over a month.
Besides, you can do this in userland already anyway:haha :) Yes, you can do many things in userland.
<?php
class InvalidTypeException extends Exception {}
class UnknownTypeException extends Exception {}class Types {
const INTEGER = 1;
const FLOAT = 2;
const STRING = 3;
const OBJECT = 4;
const BOOLEAN = 5;private $val, $type; public function __construct($val, $type) { $this->type = $type; $this->setValue($val); } public function setValue($val) { switch($this->type) { case self::INTEGER: if (!is_int($val)) { throw new InvalidTypeException; } break; case self::FLOAT: if (!is_float($val)) { throw new InvalidTypeException; } break; case self::STRING: if (!is_string($val)) { throw new InvalidTypeException; } break; case self::OBJECT: if (!is_object($val)) { throw new InvalidTypeException; } break; case self::BOOLEAN: if (!is_bool($val)) { throw new InvalidTypeException; } break; default: throw new UnknownTypeException; } $this->val = $val; } public function getValue() { return $this->val; } public function __toString() { return (string)$this->getValue(); }
}
class Integer extends Types {
public function __construct($val) {
parent::__construct($val, Types::INTEGER);
}
}
class String extends Types {
public function __construct($val) {
parent::__construct($val, Types::STRING);
}
}
class Float extends Types {
public function __construct($val) {
parent::__construct($val, Types::FLOAT);
}
}
class Object extends Types {
public function __construct($val) {
parent::__construct($val, Types::OBJECT);
}
}
class Boolean extends Types {
public function __construct($val) {
parent::__construct($val, Types::BOOLEAN);
}
}
function type_hint_integer(Integer $val) {
echo $val, "\n";
}
function type_hint_string(String $val) {
echo $val, "\n";
}
function type_hint_float(Float $val) {
echo $val, "\n";
}type_hint_integer(new Integer(123));
type_hint_string(new String("string"));
type_hint_float(new Float(0.25));Nice implementation, so ? Still more code to include in your code.
Anyways, the "Optional" part in the subject means ... optional. Which
means that it does not have to be used and that the default hinting
will still be loose.That gives the chance to anyone to use either strongly-typed code or
loosely-typed code. You know as much as I do that it's quite easy to
do (implement - like you just did), but if it's not in by default,
people won't care about doing it or implementing it.On the other hand, if it's there, some people might be tempted to use
it, and will. But hey.. php's a loosely typed language and it'll
definitely stay that way. But only giving the choice to someone to use
what he feels like is quite interesting in my opinion.Anyways, no need to get all grumpy, you can just say you don't like
the idea, that'll do just as well. Anyways, that was a thought, it's
quite easy to implement as an extension and would be light and simple
for anyone to either use or ignore it.-Hannes
--
David Coallier,
Founder & Software Architect,
Agora Production (http://agoraproduction.com)
51.42.06.70.18
I both like and dislike the fact that PHP is so loosely typed. It makes
it very easy, which I like, however it is sometimes not strict enough,
allowing for undetected errors, which of course I don't like.I think the ideal solution here is to make it a hybrid type of language,
where typing is dynamic, but still controllable using type hinting. You
can use whichever you want where you want. Functions can have 3
parameters, two hinted and one not.Keep in mind this is not strict typing. Key word: "hinting".
If all is 100% optional, your application can take advantage of the
flexibility of dynamic typing in places where it's needed, and also take
advantage of the control that type hinting gives you where it's
appropriate. Most languages either allow you to do whatever you want,
making some code chaotic and some bugs harder to detect, whereas some
are the complete opposite, imposing very strict limits on your
variables, and severely limiting your flexibility. PHP could be the
middle ground, with maximum flexibility, but also maximum control.I'm currently using my type hinting patch with PHP 5.3 for an
application I'm working on with about 10,000 lines of code and hundreds
of functions, big and small. I'm using type hinting in most of the
functions, but not all. It's been very helpful so far, especially with
the "scalar" and "number" type hints.I was thinking at something along the lines of objects also for instance:
$i = new Integer(33);
function foo(Integer $var) {
}foo ($i); else it emits a fatal error. But also if you do
$i = "Name"; that would emit a fatal error because the value is
suposed to be an int. This might look a bit too much like java, but as
an extension it could be something quite interesting I believe.String, Object, Integer, Scalar, Float and what else.
So thinking of something like
$string = new String("Foo");
$string = "bar" or $string->setValue("Bar"); would do$float = new Float(4.242);
$float->setValue('foobar'); // That emits an error
$float->setValue(3.14159);echo $float; (__toString) or echo $float->getValue; to echo it's content/value
and so on.
That has got to be the worst idea I've heard on internals for over a month.
Besides, you can do this in userland already anyway:haha :) Yes, you can do many things in userland.
<?php
class InvalidTypeException extends Exception {}
class UnknownTypeException extends Exception {}class Types {
const INTEGER = 1;
const FLOAT = 2;
const STRING = 3;
const OBJECT = 4;
const BOOLEAN = 5;private $val, $type; public function __construct($val, $type) { $this->type = $type; $this->setValue($val); } public function setValue($val) { switch($this->type) { case self::INTEGER: if (!is_int($val)) { throw new InvalidTypeException; } break; case self::FLOAT: if (!is_float($val)) { throw new InvalidTypeException; } break; case self::STRING: if (!is_string($val)) { throw new InvalidTypeException; } break; case self::OBJECT: if (!is_object($val)) { throw new InvalidTypeException; } break; case self::BOOLEAN: if (!is_bool($val)) { throw new InvalidTypeException; } break; default: throw new UnknownTypeException; } $this->val = $val; } public function getValue() { return $this->val; } public function __toString() { return (string)$this->getValue(); }
}
class Integer extends Types {
public function __construct($val) {
parent::__construct($val, Types::INTEGER);
}
}
class String extends Types {
public function __construct($val) {
parent::__construct($val, Types::STRING);
}
}
class Float extends Types {
public function __construct($val) {
parent::__construct($val, Types::FLOAT);
}
}
class Object extends Types {
public function __construct($val) {
parent::__construct($val, Types::OBJECT);
}
}
class Boolean extends Types {
public function __construct($val) {
parent::__construct($val, Types::BOOLEAN);
}
}
function type_hint_integer(Integer $val) {
echo $val, "\n";
}
function type_hint_string(String $val) {
echo $val, "\n";
}
function type_hint_float(Float $val) {
echo $val, "\n";
}type_hint_integer(new Integer(123));
type_hint_string(new String("string"));
type_hint_float(new Float(0.25));Nice implementation, so ? Still more code to include in your code.
Anyways, the "Optional" part in the subject means ... optional. Which
means that it does not have to be used and that the default hinting
will still be loose.That gives the chance to anyone to use either strongly-typed code or
loosely-typed code. You know as much as I do that it's quite easy to
do (implement - like you just did), but if it's not in by default,
people won't care about doing it or implementing it.On the other hand, if it's there, some people might be tempted to use
it, and will. But hey.. php's a loosely typed language and it'll
definitely stay that way. But only giving the choice to someone to use
what he feels like is quite interesting in my opinion.Anyways, no need to get all grumpy, you can just say you don't like
the idea, that'll do just as well. Anyways, that was a thought, it's
quite easy to implement as an extension and would be light and simple
for anyone to either use or ignore it.-Hannes
--
David Coallier,
Founder & Software Architect,
Agora Production (http://agoraproduction.com)
51.42.06.70.18
What if type hinting just generated an E_NOTICE. Nothing more for the
time being.
Call it an experimental option.
I already use hungarian notation for all my params ( cause I'm
unimaginative with my var names I suppose!), so the type hinting would
help me enforce this and reduce errors in the long run (code goes from
me to other developers who only glance at the dox)
--
Richard Quadling
Zend Certified Engineer : http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498&r=213474731
"Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants!"
What if type hinting just generated an E_NOTICE. Nothing more for the
time being.Call it an experimental option.
I already use hungarian notation for all my params ( cause I'm
unimaginative with my var names I suppose!), so the type hinting would
help me enforce this and reduce errors in the long run (code goes from
me to other developers who only glance at the dox)
I like this idea
but E_STRICT
seems to fit better :)
--
Alexey Zakhlestin
http://blog.milkfarmsoft.com/
I just finished redoing this patch by the way, it's available on
sambarrow.com, along with my custom superglobals patch.
What if type hinting just generated an E_NOTICE. Nothing more for the
time being.Call it an experimental option.
I already use hungarian notation for all my params ( cause I'm
unimaginative with my var names I suppose!), so the type hinting would
help me enforce this and reduce errors in the long run (code goes from
me to other developers who only glance at the dox)I like this idea
but
E_STRICT
seems to fit better :)--
Alexey Zakhlestin
http://blog.milkfarmsoft.com/
Good idea about reducing the error warning level, isn't this currently
fatal? We could just turn it into an e_notice or e_warning.
I both like and dislike the fact that PHP is so loosely typed. It makes
it very easy, which I like, however it is sometimes not strict enough,
allowing for undetected errors, which of course I don't like.I think the ideal solution here is to make it a hybrid type of language,
where typing is dynamic, but still controllable using type hinting. You
can use whichever you want where you want. Functions can have 3
parameters, two hinted and one not.Keep in mind this is not strict typing. Key word: "hinting".
If all is 100% optional, your application can take advantage of the
flexibility of dynamic typing in places where it's needed, and also take
advantage of the control that type hinting gives you where it's
appropriate. Most languages either allow you to do whatever you want,
making some code chaotic and some bugs harder to detect, whereas some
are the complete opposite, imposing very strict limits on your
variables, and severely limiting your flexibility. PHP could be the
middle ground, with maximum flexibility, but also maximum control.I'm currently using my type hinting patch with PHP 5.3 for an
application I'm working on with about 10,000 lines of code and hundreds
of functions, big and small. I'm using type hinting in most of the
functions, but not all. It's been very helpful so far, especially with
the "scalar" and "number" type hints.I was thinking at something along the lines of objects also for instance:
$i = new Integer(33);
function foo(Integer $var) {
}foo ($i); else it emits a fatal error. But also if you do
$i = "Name"; that would emit a fatal error because the value is
suposed to be an int. This might look a bit too much like java, but as
an extension it could be something quite interesting I believe.String, Object, Integer, Scalar, Float and what else.
So thinking of something like
$string = new String("Foo");
$string = "bar" or $string->setValue("Bar"); would do$float = new Float(4.242);
$float->setValue('foobar'); // That emits an error
$float->setValue(3.14159);echo $float; (__toString) or echo $float->getValue; to echo it's content/value
and so on.
That has got to be the worst idea I've heard on internals for over a month.
Besides, you can do this in userland already anyway:haha :) Yes, you can do many things in userland.
<?php
class InvalidTypeException extends Exception {}
class UnknownTypeException extends Exception {}class Types {
const INTEGER = 1;
const FLOAT = 2;
const STRING = 3;
const OBJECT = 4;
const BOOLEAN = 5;private $val, $type; public function __construct($val, $type) { $this->type = $type; $this->setValue($val); } public function setValue($val) { switch($this->type) { case self::INTEGER: if (!is_int($val)) { throw new InvalidTypeException; } break; case self::FLOAT: if (!is_float($val)) { throw new InvalidTypeException; } break; case self::STRING: if (!is_string($val)) { throw new InvalidTypeException; } break; case self::OBJECT: if (!is_object($val)) { throw new InvalidTypeException; } break; case self::BOOLEAN: if (!is_bool($val)) { throw new InvalidTypeException; } break; default: throw new UnknownTypeException; } $this->val = $val; } public function getValue() { return $this->val; } public function __toString() { return (string)$this->getValue(); }
}
class Integer extends Types {
public function __construct($val) {
parent::__construct($val, Types::INTEGER);
}
}
class String extends Types {
public function __construct($val) {
parent::__construct($val, Types::STRING);
}
}
class Float extends Types {
public function __construct($val) {
parent::__construct($val, Types::FLOAT);
}
}
class Object extends Types {
public function __construct($val) {
parent::__construct($val, Types::OBJECT);
}
}
class Boolean extends Types {
public function __construct($val) {
parent::__construct($val, Types::BOOLEAN);
}
}
function type_hint_integer(Integer $val) {
echo $val, "\n";
}
function type_hint_string(String $val) {
echo $val, "\n";
}
function type_hint_float(Float $val) {
echo $val, "\n";
}type_hint_integer(new Integer(123));
type_hint_string(new String("string"));
type_hint_float(new Float(0.25));Nice implementation, so ? Still more code to include in your code.
Anyways, the "Optional" part in the subject means ... optional. Which
means that it does not have to be used and that the default hinting
will still be loose.That gives the chance to anyone to use either strongly-typed code or
loosely-typed code. You know as much as I do that it's quite easy to
do (implement - like you just did), but if it's not in by default,
people won't care about doing it or implementing it.On the other hand, if it's there, some people might be tempted to use
it, and will. But hey.. php's a loosely typed language and it'll
definitely stay that way. But only giving the choice to someone to use
what he feels like is quite interesting in my opinion.Anyways, no need to get all grumpy, you can just say you don't like
the idea, that'll do just as well. Anyways, that was a thought, it's
quite easy to implement as an extension and would be light and simple
for anyone to either use or ignore it.-Hannes
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51.42.06.70.18What if type hinting just generated an E_NOTICE. Nothing more for the
time being.Call it an experimental option.
I already use hungarian notation for all my params ( cause I'm
unimaginative with my var names I suppose!), so the type hinting would
help me enforce this and reduce errors in the long run (code goes from
me to other developers who only glance at the dox)--
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"Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants!"
What is the general opinion on multiple class inheritance. I have a need
for it. I have objects for all user input fields.
$username = new field ;
$username -> name = 'username' ;
$username -> maxLen = 32 ;
I have three types of fields. Fields that are automatically put in the
database, such as timestamps, fields that are inputted but not stored,
such as "confirm password", and fields that are inputted by the user AND
stored in the database, such as username and password.
Now i have 3 classes:
- abstractField (has methods and properties that apply to all fields).
- inputField, extends abstractField (has methods and properties for
display of input form elements and labels). - dbField, extends abstractField (has methods for storing and retrieving
in db, etc.).
However for fields that are inputted AND stored in the db, i need to
extend both inputField and dbField.
- inputDbField extends inputField, dbField.
Sure, there may be quick hacks to do this, but the only proper way seems
to be to extend both classes, and I don't want to duplicate any code
(dbField and inputField are both pretty big, and any modifications will
also have to be replicated).
And no, I don't want to use interfaces. Interfaces will barely do
anything for me, I'll still have to duplicate my method bodies, and
properties.
Sam Barrow wrote:
What is the general opinion on multiple class inheritance. I have a need
for it.
Use object composition?
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It sounds like you want to be using decorators instead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decorator_pattern
What is the general opinion on multiple class inheritance. I have a need
for it. I have objects for all user input fields.$username = new field ;
$username -> name = 'username' ;
$username -> maxLen = 32 ;I have three types of fields. Fields that are automatically put in the
database, such as timestamps, fields that are inputted but not stored,
such as "confirm password", and fields that are inputted by the user AND
stored in the database, such as username and password.Now i have 3 classes:
- abstractField (has methods and properties that apply to all fields).
- inputField, extends abstractField (has methods and properties for
display of input form elements and labels).- dbField, extends abstractField (has methods for storing and retrieving
in db, etc.).However for fields that are inputted AND stored in the db, i need to
extend both inputField and dbField.
- inputDbField extends inputField, dbField.
Sure, there may be quick hacks to do this, but the only proper way seems
to be to extend both classes, and I don't want to duplicate any code
(dbField and inputField are both pretty big, and any modifications will
also have to be replicated).And no, I don't want to use interfaces. Interfaces will barely do
anything for me, I'll still have to duplicate my method bodies, and
properties.
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exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea,
which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to
himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession
of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas
Jefferson
Larry Garfield wrote:
It sounds like you want to be using decorators instead.
The decorator pattern is inappropriate for this case, because Sam wants
to extend the interface, not change the behavior of an existing one.
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Larry Garfield wrote:
It sounds like you want to be using decorators instead.
The decorator pattern is inappropriate for this case, because Sam wants
to extend the interface, not change the behavior of an existing one.
class AbstractField {
// ...
}
class InputField {
protected $field;
function __construct($field) {
$this->$field = $field;
}
function __call($method, $args) {
return call_user_func_array(array($this->field, $method), $args);
}
// Other methods.
}
class DBField {
protected $field;
function __construct($field) {
$this->$field = $field;
}
function __call($method, $args) {
return call_user_func_array(array($this->field, $method), $args);
}
// Other methods.
}
$myfield = new InputField(new DBField(new AbstractField(...)));
This is a case where you don't want type-hinting, actually. :-) You could do
the same thing with an AbstractField interface that DBField and InputField
also implement and pass through, which might be faster because you eliminate
the _call()/call_user_func_array() choke point, but it's more code to write.
Pick your poison.
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"If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of
exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea,
which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to
himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession
of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas
Jefferson
Larry Garfield wrote:
$myfield = new InputField(new DBField(new AbstractField(...))); [snip]
Nah, what you're talking about now is a chain of responsibility, where
events are in the form of method calls. :-)
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Whether it's implemented or not, I'm going to write a patch for multiple
class inheritance. Does anyone here whos knows about the Zend Engine
willing to help me out just a little bit, to get me started? I'm stuck
at the syntax interpretation right now.
Larry Garfield wrote:
$myfield = new InputField(new DBField(new AbstractField(...))); [snip]
Nah, what you're talking about now is a chain of responsibility, where
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2007/11/19, Sam Barrow sam@sambarrow.com:
Whether it's implemented or not, I'm going to write a patch for multiple
class inheritance.
I have the feeling that you are trying to use the wrong language.
Hopefully people on this lists still preserves their sanity and will
not be wiliing to implement a concept that is know to work correclty
only in very few implementations, if any, that causes ambiguity and
opens the door for all sorts of unneeded complexity.
I doubt it will be implemented, but for my application it would be
incredibly helpful and worth it to me to write a patch even if I am the
only one to use it.
2007/11/19, Sam Barrow sam@sambarrow.com:
Whether it's implemented or not, I'm going to write a patch for multiple
class inheritance.I have the feeling that you are trying to use the wrong language.
Hopefully people on this lists still preserves their sanity and will
not be wiliing to implement a concept that is know to work correclty
only in very few implementations, if any, that causes ambiguity and
opens the door for all sorts of unneeded complexity.
It would probably better to implement something like prototyping,
where there is only 1 parent, but there can be muliple prototype
classes from which methods are inherited.
I doubt it will be implemented, but for my application it would be
incredibly helpful and worth it to me to write a patch even if I am
the
only one to use it.2007/11/19, Sam Barrow sam@sambarrow.com:
Whether it's implemented or not, I'm going to write a patch for
multiple
class inheritance.I have the feeling that you are trying to use the wrong language.
Hopefully people on this lists still preserves their sanity and will
not be wiliing to implement a concept that is know to work correclty
only in very few implementations, if any, that causes ambiguity and
opens the door for all sorts of unneeded complexity.
That would serve my purpose, as long as i can inherit methods and
properties from multiple parents.
It would probably better to implement something like prototyping,
where there is only 1 parent, but there can be muliple prototype
classes from which methods are inherited.I doubt it will be implemented, but for my application it would be
incredibly helpful and worth it to me to write a patch even if I am
the
only one to use it.2007/11/19, Sam Barrow sam@sambarrow.com:
Whether it's implemented or not, I'm going to write a patch for
multiple
class inheritance.I have the feeling that you are trying to use the wrong language.
Hopefully people on this lists still preserves their sanity and will
not be wiliing to implement a concept that is know to work correclty
only in very few implementations, if any, that causes ambiguity and
opens the door for all sorts of unneeded complexity.
That would serve my purpose, as long as i can inherit methods and
properties from multiple parents.
Sorry if it is off to this list. Sam maybe you should check some PHP
mixins implementation:
http://www.symfony-project.org/book/1_0/17-Extending-Symfony#Mixins
http://www.achievo.org/blog/archives/46-Mixins-in-PHP.html
Best Regards,
Felhő
This was a good idea, however it could be even more useful if used to
calculate the execution time of your scripts. But since it only counts
whole seconds, for this microtime()
would be better. Would it be
possible to add $_SERVER['REQUEST_MICROTIME']?
Sam Barrow wrote:
This was a good idea, however it could be even more useful if used to
calculate the execution time of your scripts. But since it only counts
whole seconds, for thismicrotime()
would be better. Would it be
possible to add $_SERVER['REQUEST_MICROTIME']?
This has nothing to do with execution time, it simply gives you the time
of the request in order to save a system call because that system call
has already been done up the chain. Doing an automatic microtime call,
would add an additional system call to applications that may never use
it, so no, that would not be a good idea.
-Rasmus
Sam Barrow schrieb:
[...]
Seriously, how hard can it be to start a new thread by not replying to
a message of an existing thread?
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(Sorry, hit reply too soon.)
Or, alternatively, you can mostly implement "friend" functions of a sort:
http://www.garfieldtech.com/blog/php-magic-call
but they have a performance penalty:
http://www.garfieldtech.com/blog/magic-benchmarks
What is the general opinion on multiple class inheritance. I have a need
for it. I have objects for all user input fields.$username = new field ;
$username -> name = 'username' ;
$username -> maxLen = 32 ;I have three types of fields. Fields that are automatically put in the
database, such as timestamps, fields that are inputted but not stored,
such as "confirm password", and fields that are inputted by the user AND
stored in the database, such as username and password.Now i have 3 classes:
- abstractField (has methods and properties that apply to all fields).
- inputField, extends abstractField (has methods and properties for
display of input form elements and labels).- dbField, extends abstractField (has methods for storing and retrieving
in db, etc.).However for fields that are inputted AND stored in the db, i need to
extend both inputField and dbField.
- inputDbField extends inputField, dbField.
Sure, there may be quick hacks to do this, but the only proper way seems
to be to extend both classes, and I don't want to duplicate any code
(dbField and inputField are both pretty big, and any modifications will
also have to be replicated).And no, I don't want to use interfaces. Interfaces will barely do
anything for me, I'll still have to duplicate my method bodies, and
properties.
--
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larry@garfieldtech.com ICQ: 6817012
"If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of
exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea,
which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to
himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession
of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas
Jefferson
I was considering something like this, just seems like more of a hack to
me than the right way to do it, plus the performance hit you mentioned.
(Sorry, hit reply too soon.)
Or, alternatively, you can mostly implement "friend" functions of a sort:
http://www.garfieldtech.com/blog/php-magic-call
but they have a performance penalty:
http://www.garfieldtech.com/blog/magic-benchmarks
What is the general opinion on multiple class inheritance. I have a need
for it. I have objects for all user input fields.$username = new field ;
$username -> name = 'username' ;
$username -> maxLen = 32 ;I have three types of fields. Fields that are automatically put in the
database, such as timestamps, fields that are inputted but not stored,
such as "confirm password", and fields that are inputted by the user AND
stored in the database, such as username and password.Now i have 3 classes:
- abstractField (has methods and properties that apply to all fields).
- inputField, extends abstractField (has methods and properties for
display of input form elements and labels).- dbField, extends abstractField (has methods for storing and retrieving
in db, etc.).However for fields that are inputted AND stored in the db, i need to
extend both inputField and dbField.
- inputDbField extends inputField, dbField.
Sure, there may be quick hacks to do this, but the only proper way seems
to be to extend both classes, and I don't want to duplicate any code
(dbField and inputField are both pretty big, and any modifications will
also have to be replicated).And no, I don't want to use interfaces. Interfaces will barely do
anything for me, I'll still have to duplicate my method bodies, and
properties.--
Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42
larry@garfieldtech.com ICQ: 6817012"If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of
exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea,
which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to
himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession
of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas
Jefferson
Sam Barrow schrieb:
What is the general opinion on multiple class inheritance.
It is a concept that only works correctly in CLOS?
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I've been working on your patch, adding types and making it more stable.
Worked pretty good for me though, with the exception of a couple things
(some code was different in 5.3 than in your diff files, but that makes
sense as you wrote this patch in 2006).
I think more type hinting in all areas would be good, and if this is
something that is going to be implemented, I am willing to do as much of
the work as I'd have to.
we discussed this a million times already I think. And the conclusion is
to not allow type hinting for base types.I am actually thinking that it might be a good thing to add more and
more. I know my quick hack isn't the best implementation though.Derick
2007/11/15, Sam Barrow sam@sambarrow.com:
I found a patch by Derick online to allow for scalar type hinting, and
made it work with the newest snapshot of PHP 5.3.
IIRC Hannes had a patch to implement this the right way, but
unfortunately it has not been merged.
.
Hopefully he can publish an updated version somewhere because I agree
that having this functionality is a good thing.
We actually had spoken of that on irc a few times and a while ago, the
answer I got back was basically, "If you want java, use java"...
2007/11/15, Sam Barrow sam@sambarrow.com:
I found a patch by Derick online to allow for scalar type hinting, and
made it work with the newest snapshot of PHP 5.3.IIRC Hannes had a patch to implement this the right way, but
unfortunately it has not been merged.
.
Hopefully he can publish an updated version somewhere because I agree
that having this functionality is a good thing.--
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51.42.06.70.18
Hello Sam,
since the thread turned to autoboxing. You guys may want to have a look at
Pecl/SPL_Types which provides the base functionality to implement autoboxing
already. Right now it provides only a Bool and an Enum class though.
marcus
Thursday, November 15, 2007, 4:27:17 PM, you wrote:
I found a patch by Derick online to allow for scalar type hinting, and
made it work with the newest snapshot of PHP 5.3. I also added the
ability to type hint for resources. I would like to ask that it be added
to the next PHP release. It allows type hinting for int, float, bool,
string, resource, and object, I also added the ability to use the
secondary keywords for all of these types (such as double, real, long,
etc.).
It will maintain 100% backwards compatibility, as the type hinting is
100% optional, implemented in the same way as array/class type hinting.
I have the patch on my PC, please let me know where and when i can
submit it. I'd be happy to do the patching and submission myself, just
asking for permission here.
Best regards,
Marcus