exceptions in the destructor

Hello Daine,

a) i didn't contradict myself - you obviously didn't really follow
what i wrote

b) you can force calling the destructor by using unset() or = null;
but only if reference count is 1.
c) exceptions are 'thrown' not called, maybe you didn't use throw new
exception here or you were just writing a bit weired?
d) as said already several times (not only to you) exceptions can
be thrown in destructors

e) this doesn't belong in internals@

regards
marcus

Tuesday, December 20, 2005, 6:22:31 PM, you wrote:

I agree completely...
I think the GC should be better documented.
I also would like someone to tell me why exceptions cannot be called in the
destructor? Since they can't, this means the reliability of a destructor is
uncontrolled and nothing can be done to see if this completes successfully.

This in some way or another, renders them completely useless if you require
them to complete an operation and at least have the peace of mind that you
will be able to deal with errors rather than the application throwing a fatal
error.

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:38:34 -0500, Alan Pinstein wrote

Your last post also indicates, that because the destructors are
only called
after script termination, the scope of an object is global, always.
Is this true?

This isn't true, at least empirically. Destructors are called when
the GC frees the object.

For many objects, this is at script termination. But if you null out
the ref to an object, it will occur immediately.

$a = new A();
$a = null; // destructor called just after this line

I am not certain that this should be considered predictable
behavior, as the behavior of the GC is not well/publicly documented
to my knowledge, and thus this is a reasonable question for the
internals list.

Personally I would like to see more documentation of how GC works so
that we as developers can depend on it a little better for OO
cleanup activities. I have another thread going that still remains
unanswered about how to prevent circular references to objects that
deadlock the GC.

Alan

Also, I've called fwrite in a destructor before, so clearly not all
IO is
terminated before the destructor is called.
When you refer to output facility, what are you talking about?

Many thanks
Daine Mamacos.

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:16:07 +0100, Marcus Boerger wrote

Hello Daine,

you still don't get it. Your problem is the way php works. You
cannot put any output functionality in destructors because they are
called after your scipt is being terminted (to be precise after
the output facility has been shutdown on script termination).

This is btw a question the general php list.

marcus

Monday, December 19, 2005, 11:07:53 AM, you wrote:

While you're example works, mine doesn't, it has to do with the
class
assignment. If you actually bother to do anything with the class, it
doesn't work.

$ php -r 'class blah { function __destruct() { throw new Exception
("exception
thrown"); } } $blah = new blah();'

give that a try and see what happens
(;
also http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=33598 clearly states that
they cannoy be
thrown in the destructor.
Errrr... shrug

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:38:20 +0100, Marcus Boerger wrote

Hello Daine,

marcus@zaphod /usr/src/PHP_5_1 $ php -r 'class A{function
__destruct(){throw new Exception("A");}} new A;' make:
`sapi/cli/php' is up to date.

Fatal error: Uncaught exception 'Exception' with message 'A' in
Command line code:1 Stack trace:
#0 Command line code(1): A::__destruct()
#1 {main}
thrown in Command line code on line 1

As the code above clearly show, exceptions can be thrown.

marcus

Friday, December 16, 2005, 3:17:54 PM, you wrote:

Is there any reason why one is not allowed to throw an
exception in the
destructor of a class?
I mean, it makes sense, considering this is not always the
final step
of code,
and it is usually used for finalising things, and it would be a
good
idea to
know if anything goes wrong at that stage.
Otherwise is there any compromise one can use to "emulate" this
feature?

Daine Mamacos.

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I also would like someone to tell me why exceptions cannot be
called in the
destructor? Since they can't, this means the reliability of a
destructor is
uncontrolled and nothing can be done to see if this completes
successfully.

Your question is kindof wrong... you can always throw exceptions in
destructors. The problem is CATCHING them.

I think probably in languages with GC's that throwing [uncaught]
exceptions in destructors is probably a bad idea, unless you DESIRE
termination as a result, as you don't know who's calling your
destructor. I am not positive that this is a bad idea, but I think
so... exceptions are meant to be caught. Uncaught exceptions are
typically considered errors, and PHP considers them fatal.

This is precisely what's happening to you. The destructor is called
from the script termination cleanup code, outside of your program
scope, and thus there's no try/catch to catch your exception. I
suppose if you really want to do this just for logging, you could use:

http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.set-exception-handler.php

But to me this seems like a bad idea.

If you have some complicated tear-down machinery that you want to do
try/catch with, try a method like "cleanup()" in your class and call
it surrounded by try/catch to do your cleanup when you're done with
the resource.

Alan