Hi!
Intro
I am proposing what is a near completely syntactical addition (only
change is to language.y) to the language. The best terminology for this
syntax is are: return if
, "return early", or "guard clauses".
see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guard_(computer_science)
Over the past few years, I've seen a growing number of blog posts,
conference talks, and even tooling (for example code complexity
scoring), that suggest writing guard clauses is a good practice to
utilize. I've also seen it more prevalent in code, and even attempts at
achieving this with Exceptions (in an HTTP context) in a framework like
Laravel.
see abort_if/throw_if:
https://laravel.com/docs/7.x/helpers#method-abort-if
It is also worth mentioning that Ruby has similar features, and I
believe they are heavily utilized:
see:
https://github.com/rubocop-hq/ruby-style-guide#no-nested-conditionals
Proposal
In an effort to make it a first class feature of the language, and to
make the control flow / guard clauses more visible when scanning code, I
am proposing this in the syntax of adding return if
.
The chosen syntax is:
return if ( if_expr ) [: optional_return_expression] ;
As a contrived example:
function divide($dividend, $divisor = null) {
return if ($divisor === null || $divisor === 0);
return $dividend / $divisor;
}
There is already a little discussion around the choice of order in the
above statement, the main take-aways and (my) perceived benefits are:
-
it keeps the intent nearest the left rail of the code (in
normal/common-ish coding standards) -
it treats "return if" as a meta-keyword; if must follow return for
the statement to be a guard clause. This also allows a person to more
easily discern "returns" from "return ifs" more easily since there is
not an arbitrary amount of code between them (for example if the return
expression were after return but before if). -
it has the quality that optional parts are towards the end
-
is also has the quality that the : return_expression; is very
symmetrical to the way we demarcate the return type in method signatures
"): return type {" for example. -
has the quality of promoting single-line conditional returns
Finally
One might say this is unnecessary syntactic sugar, which is definitely
arguable. But we do have multiple ways of achieving this.
Of course all of these things should be discussed, I think sub-votes
(should this PR make it that far) could be considered.
The PR is located here:
https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/5552
As mentioned, some discussion is happening there as well.
Thanks!
Ralph Schindler
PS: since implementing the ::class feature 8 years ago, the addition of
the AST abstraction made this kind of syntactical change
proof-of-concept so much easier, bravo!
Hi Ralph,
Hi!
Intro
I am proposing what is a near completely syntactical addition (only change is to language.y) to the language. The best terminology for this syntax is are:
return if
, "return early", or "guard clauses".see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guard_(computer_science)
Over the past few years, I've seen a growing number of blog posts, conference talks, and even tooling (for example code complexity scoring), that suggest writing guard clauses is a good practice to utilize. I've also seen it more prevalent in code, and even attempts at achieving this with Exceptions (in an HTTP context) in a framework like Laravel.
see abort_if/throw_if: https://laravel.com/docs/7.x/helpers#method-abort-if
It is also worth mentioning that Ruby has similar features, and I believe they are heavily utilized:
see: https://github.com/rubocop-hq/ruby-style-guide#no-nested-conditionals
Proposal
In an effort to make it a first class feature of the language, and to make the control flow / guard clauses more visible when scanning code, I am proposing this in the syntax of adding
return if
.The chosen syntax is:
return if ( if_expr ) [: optional_return_expression] ;
As a contrived example:
function divide($dividend, $divisor = null) {
return if ($divisor === null || $divisor === 0);return $dividend / $divisor;
}
There is already a little discussion around the choice of order in the above statement, the main take-aways and (my) perceived benefits are:
it keeps the intent nearest the left rail of the code (in normal/common-ish coding standards)
it treats "return if" as a meta-keyword; if must follow return for the statement to be a guard clause. This also allows a person to more easily discern "returns" from "return ifs" more easily since there is not an arbitrary amount of code between them (for example if the return expression were after return but before if).
it has the quality that optional parts are towards the end
is also has the quality that the : return_expression; is very symmetrical to the way we demarcate the return type in method signatures
"): return type {" for example.has the quality of promoting single-line conditional returns
Finally
One might say this is unnecessary syntactic sugar, which is definitely arguable. But we do have multiple ways of achieving this.
Of course all of these things should be discussed, I think sub-votes (should this PR make it that far) could be considered.
The PR is located here:
https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/5552
As mentioned, some discussion is happening there as well.
Thanks!
Ralph SchindlerPS: since implementing the ::class feature 8 years ago, the addition of the AST abstraction made this kind of syntactical change proof-of-concept so much easier, bravo!
I'm in favor of language features that encourage defensive coding, so, I think the concept behind return-if is good, but your approach too limited.
I think a more general guard syntax would be better:
guard (some condition) else {
//code here must exit the parent block, or else an error is generated (at compile-time if possible)
}
This would allow for more and broader use cases: the code in the else clause could do any of return, continue, break, throw, exit, or maybe even goto, as appropriate to the condition and its parent block, which could be any functional block — a function, loop, if, else, try, or catch clause, or the "global" scope outside of a function or class definition. And, if you did return (as opposed to something else), you'd retain locality of 'return' and the return value, rather than separating it with the condition.
-John
Am 10.05.20 um 18:26 schrieb John Bafford:
Hi Ralph,
Hi!
Intro
I am proposing what is a near completely syntactical addition (only change is to language.y) to the language. The best terminology for this syntax is are:
return if
, "return early", or "guard clauses".see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guard_(computer_science)
Over the past few years, I've seen a growing number of blog posts, conference talks, and even tooling (for example code complexity scoring), that suggest writing guard clauses is a good practice to utilize. I've also seen it more prevalent in code, and even attempts at achieving this with Exceptions (in an HTTP context) in a framework like Laravel.
see abort_if/throw_if: https://laravel.com/docs/7.x/helpers#method-abort-if
It is also worth mentioning that Ruby has similar features, and I believe they are heavily utilized:
see: https://github.com/rubocop-hq/ruby-style-guide#no-nested-conditionals
Proposal
In an effort to make it a first class feature of the language, and to make the control flow / guard clauses more visible when scanning code, I am proposing this in the syntax of adding
return if
.The chosen syntax is:
return if ( if_expr ) [: optional_return_expression] ;
As a contrived example:
function divide($dividend, $divisor = null) { return if ($divisor === null || $divisor === 0); return $dividend / $divisor; }
There is already a little discussion around the choice of order in the above statement, the main take-aways and (my) perceived benefits are:
it keeps the intent nearest the left rail of the code (in normal/common-ish coding standards)
it treats "return if" as a meta-keyword; if must follow return for the statement to be a guard clause. This also allows a person to more easily discern "returns" from "return ifs" more easily since there is not an arbitrary amount of code between them (for example if the return expression were after return but before if).
it has the quality that optional parts are towards the end
is also has the quality that the : return_expression; is very symmetrical to the way we demarcate the return type in method signatures
"): return type {" for example.has the quality of promoting single-line conditional returns
Finally
One might say this is unnecessary syntactic sugar, which is definitely arguable. But we do have multiple ways of achieving this.
Of course all of these things should be discussed, I think sub-votes (should this PR make it that far) could be considered.
The PR is located here:
https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/5552
As mentioned, some discussion is happening there as well.
Thanks!
Ralph SchindlerPS: since implementing the ::class feature 8 years ago, the addition of the AST abstraction made this kind of syntactical change proof-of-concept so much easier, bravo!
I'm in favor of language features that encourage defensive coding, so, I think the concept behind return-if is good, but your approach too limited.I think a more general guard syntax would be better:
guard (some condition) else {
//code here must exit the parent block, or else an error is generated (at compile-time if possible)
}This would allow for more and broader use cases: the code in the else clause could do any of return, continue, break, throw, exit, or maybe even goto, as appropriate to the condition and its parent block, which could be any functional block — a function, loop, if, else, try, or catch clause, or the "global" scope outside of a function or class definition. And, if you did return (as opposed to something else), you'd retain locality of 'return' and the return value, rather than separating it with the condition.
-John
Hi all,
In contrast, I really like Ralph's proposal for it's simplicity. I would
prefer a single keyword, though.
Hello,
I think that we SHOULD not introduce a new keyword (e. g. guard) since that
would be a "major major" backwards incompatibility. "Guard" is a really
generic
word and a great example of that is Laravel and their authentication guards.
In general, I don't think that early returns require a seperate syntax
and/or
block statement since a simple if (...) { return; }
is already sufficient
enough.
Best regards,
Benas Seliuginas
Benas,
Hello,
I think that we SHOULD not introduce a new keyword (e. g. guard) since that
would be a "major major" backwards incompatibility. "Guard" is a really generic
word and a great example of that is Laravel and their authentication guards.In general, I don't think that early returns require a seperate syntax and/or
block statement since a simpleif (...) { return; }
is already sufficient
enough.Best regards,
Benas Seliuginas
I think there's three main reasons for guard, as opposed to if:
- It further and clearly establishes intent: if you see guard, you have more information about the programmer's intent and what the code will actually do.
- It prevents having to negate the condition: guard (is valid) else, instead of if (not valid) then; negations impose additional cognitive load when attempting to understand code, especially if your condition already has a negation.
- The language provides a guarantee that if the guard condition is not met, execution can not proceed past the else clause. This helps prevent accidental fall-through, such as if you wrote: if(!$valid) { terminate(); } expecting it to end execution (e.g. via a throw or exit), but for some reason it failed to do so.
To take an idea from Ralph's original proposal, perhaps some syntax like "if guard (condition) else ...". In this context, guard could not possibly be confused with a function from the parser's point of view, instead serving as an intent modifier to if.
-John
Hey,
guard
would be a keyword this means that all of the classes, interfaces
and traits named Guard would be illegal. Therefore Laravel's Guard
interface would be incompatible with PHP 8 which in turn means thousands of
web applications would be too.
Best regards,
Benas Seliuginas
Benas,
Hey,
guard
would be a keyword this means that all of the classes, interfaces and traits named Guard would be illegal. Therefore Laravel'sGuard
interface would be incompatible with PHP 8 which in turn means thousands of web applications would be too.Best regards,
Benas Seliuginas
If the parser were sufficiently smart, I don't think 'guard' would actually conflict with a class or function named 'guard'. If the syntax were:
guard (EXPRESSION) else STATEMENT_OR_BLOCK
then, 'guard' could not conflict with a class name, because there's no existing syntax that would fit the pattern of a type name followed by a parenthesis — you can't call a type name as if it were a function. Even if you could, it would still not conflict with a function call, because the 'else' keyword after the close parenthesis would not be valid syntax immediately following a function call.
So the main question there is, is the parser sufficiently smart to be able to see 'guard' and look ahead for the 'else' to disambiguate a function call from a guard statement?
-John
Hello,
Not it's not and will likely never be so using guard
is a really bad idea.
Best regaeds,
Benas Seliuginas
On Sun, 10 May 2020 at 17:49, Ralph Schindler ralph@ralphschindler.com
wrote:
Hi!
Intro
I am proposing what is a near completely syntactical addition (only
change is to language.y) to the language. The best terminology for this
syntax is are:return if
, "return early", or "guard clauses".see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guard_(computer_science)
Over the past few years, I've seen a growing number of blog posts,
conference talks, and even tooling (for example code complexity
scoring), that suggest writing guard clauses is a good practice to
utilize. I've also seen it more prevalent in code, and even attempts at
achieving this with Exceptions (in an HTTP context) in a framework like
Laravel.see abort_if/throw_if:
https://laravel.com/docs/7.x/helpers#method-abort-ifIt is also worth mentioning that Ruby has similar features, and I
believe they are heavily utilized:see:
https://github.com/rubocop-hq/ruby-style-guide#no-nested-conditionalsProposal
In an effort to make it a first class feature of the language, and to
make the control flow / guard clauses more visible when scanning code, I
am proposing this in the syntax of addingreturn if
.The chosen syntax is:
return if ( if_expr ) [: optional_return_expression] ;
As a contrived example:
function divide($dividend, $divisor = null) { return if ($divisor === null || $divisor === 0); return $dividend / $divisor; }
There is already a little discussion around the choice of order in the
above statement, the main take-aways and (my) perceived benefits are:
it keeps the intent nearest the left rail of the code (in
normal/common-ish coding standards)it treats "return if" as a meta-keyword; if must follow return for
the statement to be a guard clause. This also allows a person to more
easily discern "returns" from "return ifs" more easily since there is
not an arbitrary amount of code between them (for example if the return
expression were after return but before if).it has the quality that optional parts are towards the end
is also has the quality that the : return_expression; is very
symmetrical to the way we demarcate the return type in method signatures
"): return type {" for example.has the quality of promoting single-line conditional returns
Finally
One might say this is unnecessary syntactic sugar, which is definitely
arguable. But we do have multiple ways of achieving this.Of course all of these things should be discussed, I think sub-votes
(should this PR make it that far) could be considered.The PR is located here:
https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/5552
As mentioned, some discussion is happening there as well.
Thanks!
Ralph SchindlerPS: since implementing the ::class feature 8 years ago, the addition of
the AST abstraction made this kind of syntactical change
proof-of-concept so much easier, bravo!--
Hello Ralph,
Have you written a formal RFC document? If not, you should do it for this
RFC: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/howto.
On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 5:49 PM Ralph Schindler ralph@ralphschindler.com
wrote:
Hi!
Intro
I am proposing what is a near completely syntactical addition (only
change is to language.y) to the language. The best terminology for this
syntax is are:return if
, "return early", or "guard clauses".see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guard_(computer_science)
Over the past few years, I've seen a growing number of blog posts,
conference talks, and even tooling (for example code complexity
scoring), that suggest writing guard clauses is a good practice to
utilize. I've also seen it more prevalent in code, and even attempts at
achieving this with Exceptions (in an HTTP context) in a framework like
Laravel.see abort_if/throw_if:
https://laravel.com/docs/7.x/helpers#method-abort-ifIt is also worth mentioning that Ruby has similar features, and I
believe they are heavily utilized:see:
https://github.com/rubocop-hq/ruby-style-guide#no-nested-conditionalsProposal
In an effort to make it a first class feature of the language, and to
make the control flow / guard clauses more visible when scanning code, I
am proposing this in the syntax of addingreturn if
.The chosen syntax is:
return if ( if_expr ) [: optional_return_expression] ;
As a contrived example:
function divide($dividend, $divisor = null) { return if ($divisor === null || $divisor === 0); return $dividend / $divisor; }
There is already a little discussion around the choice of order in the
above statement, the main take-aways and (my) perceived benefits are:
it keeps the intent nearest the left rail of the code (in
normal/common-ish coding standards)it treats "return if" as a meta-keyword; if must follow return for
the statement to be a guard clause. This also allows a person to more
easily discern "returns" from "return ifs" more easily since there is
not an arbitrary amount of code between them (for example if the return
expression were after return but before if).it has the quality that optional parts are towards the end
is also has the quality that the : return_expression; is very
symmetrical to the way we demarcate the return type in method signatures
"): return type {" for example.has the quality of promoting single-line conditional returns
Finally
One might say this is unnecessary syntactic sugar, which is definitely
arguable. But we do have multiple ways of achieving this.Of course all of these things should be discussed, I think sub-votes
(should this PR make it that far) could be considered.The PR is located here:
https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/5552
As mentioned, some discussion is happening there as well.
Thanks!
Ralph SchindlerPS: since implementing the ::class feature 8 years ago, the addition of
the AST abstraction made this kind of syntactical change
proof-of-concept so much easier, bravo!
This proposal looks way too specific to me. I'm a big fan of returning
early -- but also of throwing early, breaking early and continuing early.
Supporting this just for returns seems odd / inconsistent to me.
That said, I don't think this syntax solves a real problem in the first
place. If it solves a problem, it's mostly a problem of PHP coding styles
being a bit overzealous when it comes to formatting requirements for early
return/break/continue/throw. And that's not a problem that needs solving at
the language level...
Regards,
Nikita
Suggestion:
return if $x > 1; (to return "void")
return $y if ($x > 1 && $x < 5);
break if $x > 1;
break 2 if $x > 1;
throw new Exception if $x > 1;
Em dom, 10 de mai de 2020 15:48, Nikita Popov nikita.ppv@gmail.com
escreveu:
On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 5:49 PM Ralph Schindler ralph@ralphschindler.com
wrote:Hi!
Intro
I am proposing what is a near completely syntactical addition (only
change is to language.y) to the language. The best terminology for this
syntax is are:return if
, "return early", or "guard clauses".see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guard_(computer_science)
Over the past few years, I've seen a growing number of blog posts,
conference talks, and even tooling (for example code complexity
scoring), that suggest writing guard clauses is a good practice to
utilize. I've also seen it more prevalent in code, and even attempts at
achieving this with Exceptions (in an HTTP context) in a framework like
Laravel.see abort_if/throw_if:
https://laravel.com/docs/7.x/helpers#method-abort-ifIt is also worth mentioning that Ruby has similar features, and I
believe they are heavily utilized:see:
https://github.com/rubocop-hq/ruby-style-guide#no-nested-conditionalsProposal
In an effort to make it a first class feature of the language, and to
make the control flow / guard clauses more visible when scanning code, I
am proposing this in the syntax of addingreturn if
.The chosen syntax is:
return if ( if_expr ) [: optional_return_expression] ;
As a contrived example:
function divide($dividend, $divisor = null) { return if ($divisor === null || $divisor === 0); return $dividend / $divisor; }
There is already a little discussion around the choice of order in the
above statement, the main take-aways and (my) perceived benefits are:
it keeps the intent nearest the left rail of the code (in
normal/common-ish coding standards)it treats "return if" as a meta-keyword; if must follow return for
the statement to be a guard clause. This also allows a person to more
easily discern "returns" from "return ifs" more easily since there is
not an arbitrary amount of code between them (for example if the return
expression were after return but before if).it has the quality that optional parts are towards the end
is also has the quality that the : return_expression; is very
symmetrical to the way we demarcate the return type in method signatures
"): return type {" for example.has the quality of promoting single-line conditional returns
Finally
One might say this is unnecessary syntactic sugar, which is definitely
arguable. But we do have multiple ways of achieving this.Of course all of these things should be discussed, I think sub-votes
(should this PR make it that far) could be considered.The PR is located here:
https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/5552
As mentioned, some discussion is happening there as well.
Thanks!
Ralph SchindlerPS: since implementing the ::class feature 8 years ago, the addition of
the AST abstraction made this kind of syntactical change
proof-of-concept so much easier, bravo!This proposal looks way too specific to me. I'm a big fan of returning
early -- but also of throwing early, breaking early and continuing early.
Supporting this just for returns seems odd / inconsistent to me.That said, I don't think this syntax solves a real problem in the first
place. If it solves a problem, it's mostly a problem of PHP coding styles
being a bit overzealous when it comes to formatting requirements for early
return/break/continue/throw. And that's not a problem that needs solving at
the language level...Regards,
Nikita
Suggestion:
return if $x > 1; (to return "void")
return $y if ($x > 1 && $x < 5);
break if $x > 1;
break 2 if $x > 1;
throw new Exception if $x > 1;
100% that will/should be a votable alternative option should this get to
the voting phase.
I have reasons for why I chose my initial path, but its worth mentioning
I favor the optional value at the end maybe 65% to 35% where the value
is after the initial keyword.
Thanks for taking the time!
-ralph schindler
I just think that this way is more compatible witth the reading. "Return X
if Y" seems better than "return (if) X: (then) Y". Too the ":" could
conflicts with return type.
Em dom, 10 de mai de 2020 16:59, Ralph Schindler ralph@ralphschindler.com
escreveu:
Suggestion:
return if $x > 1; (to return "void")
return $y if ($x > 1 && $x < 5);
break if $x > 1;
break 2 if $x > 1;
throw new Exception if $x > 1;100% that will/should be a votable alternative option should this get to
the voting phase.I have reasons for why I chose my initial path, but its worth mentioning
I favor the optional value at the end maybe 65% to 35% where the value
is after the initial keyword.Thanks for taking the time!
-ralph schindler
This proposal looks way too specific to me. I'm a big fan of returning
early -- but also of throwing early, breaking early and continuing
early. Supporting this just for returns seems odd / inconsistent to me.
I agree with this sentiment, and I'll update the PR accordingly and this
will be reflected when I make the RFC itself.
(Throw feels different as its parameter is not optional and is always a
complex type, and is in a different area of the parser... But I'll look
more deeply at adding that soon.)
That said, I don't think this syntax solves a real problem in the first
place. If it solves a problem, it's mostly a problem of PHP coding
styles being a bit overzealous when it comes to formatting requirements
for early return/break/continue/throw. And that's not a problem that
needs solving at the language level...
I think we could say the same thing about most new additions: fn arrow
functions, str_starts_with/str_ends_with, trailing comma in lists &
function calls, str_contains(), flexible (indented) heredocs, list
reference assignment, native de-structuring.. just to name a few that
all fit into the same kind of quality of life category. Nearly all of
those were achievable via some kind of syntax before their addition, but
I think we can agree we're better off having them, than not- even if one
chooses not to use them.
Having been programming with PHP for 22+ years now, and making it a
point to evolve my tastes/preferences with the changing language and
whatever the prevalent practices are in the community (and other
languages), my desire for including these quality of life improvements
remains quite high as it keeps the language interesting and competitive.
Put another way, as someone who's come to really appreciate the
aesthetics and clarity of intent of code,.. and having seen this is some
places in the wild already I feel are successful, I personally feel its
a good thing to perhaps to run through the RFC process for inclusion in 8.
Thanks!
Ralph Schindler
Hi Ralph,
Like others, I think this feels too narrow in its scope, and doesn't add
enough over existing syntax.
You mention that Ruby has a similar feature, but there it's not a
special syntax for guard clauses per se, but a "modifier" form of the if
statement:
https://docs.ruby-lang.org/en/2.7.0/syntax/control_expressions_rdoc.html#label-Modifier+if+and+unless
Along with "unless" (an alias for "if not"), it's supposed to let you
write more sentence-like code:
print "Hat Trick!" if $goals == 3;
throw new BadInputException unless is_valid($input);
In fact, Ruby also has modifier forms of while and until; and Perl
(where I think this all came from) also for and foreach.
I'm not sure whether I'd welcome that syntax in PHP or not, but it would
be one way to allow the throw, break, etc cases that other people have
mentioned in addition to return, rather than having to invent special
syntaxes for each.
Regards,
--
Rowan Tommins (né Collins)
[IMSoP]
Le Sun, 10 May 2020 10:49:15 -0500,
Ralph Schindler ralph@ralphschindler.com a écrit :
The chosen syntax is:
return if ( if_expr ) [: optional_return_expression] ;
As a contrived example:
function divide($dividend, $divisor = null) { return if ($divisor === null || $divisor === 0); return $dividend / $divisor; }
I do not understand the point, you are just reordering keywords, why is
that better than already correct code:
function divide($dividend, $divisor = null) {
if ($divisor === null || $divisor === 0) return;
return $dividend / $divisor;
}
I do not think an RFC and a special keyword are justified just to move
the word "return" from end to beginning of line.
Hi internals,
I think it's just as good to write:
if ($condition) return $retval;
Yes, there are subtle semantic differences the new syntax would emphasize, but it doesn't feel like it justifies it. New syntax also means the need to support it, for IDEs and other tools, static analysis tools, code-style tools - and all that for a very tiny benefit, if any.
Cheers,
Victor
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Hi! # Intro I am proposing what is a near completely syntactical addition (only change is to language.y) to the language. The best terminology for this syntax is are:
return if
, "return early", or "guard clauses". see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guard_(computer_science) Over the past few years, I've seen a growing number of blog posts, conference talks, and even tooling (for example code complexity scoring), that suggest writing guard clauses is a good practice to utilize. I've also seen it more prevalent in code, and even attempts at achieving this with Exceptions (in an HTTP context) in a framework like Laravel. see abort_if/throw_if: https://laravel.com/docs/7.x/helpers#method-abort-if It is also worth mentioning that Ruby has similar features, and I believe they are heavily utilized: see: https://github.com/rubocop-hq/ruby-style-guide#no-nested-conditionals # Proposal In an effort to make it a first class feature of the language, and to make the control flow / guard clause
s more visible when scanning code, I am proposing this in the syntax of addingreturn if
. The chosen syntax is: return if ( if_expr ) [: optional_return_expression] ; As a contrived example: function divide($dividend, $divisor = null) { return if ($divisor === null || $divisor === 0); return $dividend / $divisor; } There is already a little discussion around the choice of order in the above statement, the main take-aways and (my) perceived benefits are: - it keeps the intent nearest the left rail of the code (in normal/common-ish coding standards) - it treats "return if" as a meta-keyword; if must follow return for the statement to be a guard clause. This also allows a person to more easily discern "returns" from "return ifs" more easily since there is not an arbitrary amount of code between them (for example if the return expression were after return but before if). - it has the quality that optional parts are towards the end - is also has the quality that the : return_expression;
is very symmetrical to the way we demarcate the return type in method signatures "): return type {" for example. - has the quality of promoting single-line conditional returns # Finally One might say this is unnecessary syntactic sugar, which is definitely arguable. But we do have multiple ways of achieving this. Of course all of these things should be discussed, I think sub-votes (should this PR make it that far) could be considered. The PR is located here: https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/5552 As mentioned, some discussion is happening there as well. Thanks! Ralph Schindler PS: since implementing the ::class feature 8 years ago, the addition of the AST abstraction made this kind of syntactical change proof-of-concept so much easier, bravo!
A few thoughts:
- I agree with the sentiment that this syntactic sugar doesn't
actually save any verbosity, so it's not really syntactic sugar at
all.
- There appears to now be another RFC by Pavel Patapau, specifically
focused on a Guard statement as a new keyword
(https://wiki.php.net/rfc/guard_statement), which now has its separate
discussion.
-
As Thomas Lamy mentioned, I too would prefer a single keyword.
Consider the following two examples:function foo($bar)
{
if ($bar === 1)
return;if ($bar === 666) delete_everything();
}
function foo($bar)
{
if ($bar === 1)
returnif ($bar === 666); delete_everything();
}
Both would now be valid syntax, and IDEs would have a harder time
warning about the misplaced semicolon in the second example. Wouldn't
be very common, but still.
- However, this RFC is interesting to me because there be a way to
modify it to allow for less verbose refactoring, and kinda allowing
returns to bubble up like exceptions do. I think it would only make
sense if it's a "if not null then return" type of thing.
Consider the following (a bit contrived, but I hope you get the point):
function main_function()
{
$result = calculate($var);
if ($result !== null)
return $result;
/* do other important stuff */
}
function main_function()
{
ifnotnullreturn calculate($var);
/* do other important stuff */
}
Obviously not an ideal keyword, but this is the only thing I can think
of where this type of syntactic sugar makes sense and decreases
verbosity. Something similar can also be accomplished with exception
though.
- Finally, I think if we start putting several returns at the same
indentation then the cognitive load increases because we can no longer
tell if a return is actually a return at a glance.
Thanks,
Peter
Hi internals,
I think it's just as good to write:
if ($condition) return $retval;
Yes, there are subtle semantic differences the new syntax would emphasize, but it doesn't feel like it justifies it. New syntax also means the need to support it, for IDEs and other tools, static analysis tools, code-style tools - and all that for a very tiny benefit, if any.
Cheers,
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Hi! # Intro I am proposing what is a near completely syntactical addition (only change is to language.y) to the language. The best terminology for this syntax is are:
return if
, "return early", or "guard clauses". see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guard_(computer_science) Over the past few years, I've seen a growing number of blog posts, conference talks, and even tooling (for example code complexity scoring), that suggest writing guard clauses is a good practice to utilize. I've also seen it more prevalent in code, and even attempts at achieving this with Exceptions (in an HTTP context) in a framework like Laravel. see abort_if/throw_if: https://laravel.com/docs/7.x/helpers#method-abort-if It is also worth mentioning that Ruby has similar features, and I believe they are heavily utilized: see: https://github.com/rubocop-hq/ruby-style-guide#no-nested-conditionals # Proposal In an effort to make it a first class feature of the language, and to make the control flow / guard clause
s more visible when scanning code, I am proposing this in the syntax of addingreturn if
. The chosen syntax is: return if ( if_expr ) [: optional_return_expression] ; As a contrived example: function divide($dividend, $divisor = null) { return if ($divisor === null || $divisor === 0); return $dividend / $divisor; } There is already a little discussion around the choice of order in the above statement, the main take-aways and (my) perceived benefits are: - it keeps the intent nearest the left rail of the code (in normal/common-ish coding standards) - it treats "return if" as a meta-keyword; if must follow return for the statement to be a guard clause. This also allows a person to more easily discern "returns" from "return ifs" more easily since there is not an arbitrary amount of code between them (for example if the return expression were after return but before if). - it has the quality that optional parts are towards the end - is also has the quality that the : return_expression;
is very symmetrical to the way we demarcate the return type in method signatures "): return type {" for example. - has the quality of promoting single-line conditional returns # Finally One might say this is unnecessary syntactic sugar, which is definitely arguable. But we do have multiple ways of achieving this. Of course all of these things should be discussed, I think sub-votes (should this PR make it that far) could be considered. The PR is located here: https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/5552 As mentioned, some discussion is happening there as well. Thanks! Ralph Schindler PS: since implementing the ::class feature 8 years ago, the addition of the AST abstraction made this kind of syntactical change proof-of-concept so much easier, bravo!
Hi, Internals,
---- En dom, 17 may 2020 06:33:51 +0200 Peter Stalman sarkedev@gmail.com escribió ----
A few thoughts:
- I agree with the sentiment that this syntactic sugar doesn't
actually save any verbosity, so it's not really syntactic sugar at
all.
- There appears to now be another RFC by Pavel Patapau, specifically
focused on a Guard statement as a new keyword
(https://wiki.php.net/rfc/guard_statement), which now has its separate
discussion.
As Thomas Lamy mentioned, I too would prefer a single keyword.
Consider the following two examples:function foo($bar)
{
if ($bar === 1)
return;if ($bar === 666) delete_everything();
}
function foo($bar)
{
if ($bar === 1)
returnif ($bar === 666); delete_everything();
}
Both would now be valid syntax, and IDEs would have a harder time
warning about the misplaced semicolon in the second example. Wouldn't
be very common, but still.
- However, this RFC is interesting to me because there be a way to
modify it to allow for less verbose refactoring, and kinda allowing
returns to bubble up like exceptions do. I think it would only make
sense if it's a "if not null then return" type of thing.Consider the following (a bit contrived, but I hope you get the point):
function main_function() { $result = calculate($var); if ($result !== null) return $result; /* do other important stuff */ } function main_function() { ifnotnullreturn calculate($var); /* do other important stuff */ }
Obviously not an ideal keyword, but this is the only thing I can think
of where this type of syntactic sugar makes sense and decreases
verbosity. Something similar can also be accomplished with exception
though.
- Finally, I think if we start putting several returns at the same
indentation then the cognitive load increases because we can no longer
tell if a return is actually a return at a glance.Thanks,
Peter
I agree.
¿ Maybe something like...
function main_function()
{
escape when( calculate($var) );
/* do other important stuff */
}
escape when( expr )
returns value of expr
to caller function when expr
evaluate to true otherwise next line.
function main_function()
{
escape with $ a + 1 when( !calculate($var) );
/* do other important stuff */
}
escape with expr1 when( expr2 )
returns value of expr1
to caller function when expr2
evaluate to true otherwise next line.
Regards
Manuel Canga
---- En mar, 19 may 2020 08:53:46 +0200 Manuel Canga
>
> Hi, Internals,
>
>
>
> ---- En dom, 17 may 2020 06:33:51 +0200 Peter Stalman
> > A few thoughts:
> >
> >
> > 1. I agree with the sentiment that this syntactic sugar doesn't
> > actually save any verbosity, so it's not really syntactic sugar at
> > all.
> >
> >
> > 2. There appears to now be another RFC by Pavel Patapau, specifically
> > focused on a Guard statement as a new keyword
> > (https://wiki.php.net/rfc/guard_statement), which now has its separate
> > discussion.
> >
> >
> > 3. As Thomas Lamy mentioned, I too would prefer a single keyword.
> > Consider the following two examples:
> >
> > function foo($bar)
> > {
> > if ($bar === 1)
> > return;
> >
> > if ($bar === 666)
> > delete_everything();
> > }
> >
> >
> > Both would now be valid syntax, and IDEs would have a harder time
> > warning about the misplaced semicolon in the second example. Wouldn't
> > be very common, but still.
> >
> >
> > 4. However, this RFC is interesting to me because there be a way to
> > modify it to allow for less verbose refactoring, and kinda allowing
> > returns to bubble up like exceptions do. I think it would only make
> > sense if it's a "if not null then return" type of thing.
> >
> > Consider the following (a bit contrived, but I hope you get the point):
> >
> > function main_function()
> > {
> > $result = calculate($var);
> > if ($result !== null)
> > return $result;
> >
> > /* do other important stuff */
> > }
> >
> > function main_function()
> > {
> > ifnotnullreturn calculate($var);
> >
> > /* do other important stuff */
> > }
> >
> > Obviously not an ideal keyword, but this is the only thing I can think
> > of where this type of syntactic sugar makes sense and decreases
> > verbosity. Something similar can also be accomplished with exception
> > though.
> >
> >
> > 5. Finally, I think if we start putting several returns at the same
> > indentation then the cognitive load increases because we can no longer
> > tell if a return is actually a return at a glance.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Peter
> >
>
> I agree.
>
> ¿ Maybe something like...
>
> function main_function()
> {
> escape when( calculate($var) );
>
> /* do other important stuff */
> }
>
>
> `escape when( expr )` returns value of `expr` to caller function when `expr` evaluate to true otherwise next line.
>
> function main_function()
> {
> escape with $ a + 1 when( !calculate($var) );
>
> /* do other important stuff */
> }
>
>
> `escape with expr1 when( expr2 )` returns value of `expr1` to caller function when `expr2` evaluate to true otherwise next line.
>
>
Upgrade version.
Maybe is better:
`escape when( expr )` returns null to caller function when `expr` evaluate to true otherwise next line.
`escape with expr1 when( expr2 )` returns value of `expr1` to caller function when `expr2` evaluate to true otherwise next line.
Then these code are equals to:
> > function main_function()
> > {
> > $result = calculate($var);
> > if ($result !== null)
> > return $result;
> >
> > /* do other important stuff */
> > }
> >
function main_function()
{
escape with $result when( $result = calculate($var) );
/* do other important stuff */
}
> > function foo($bar)
> > {
> > if ($bar === 1)
> > return;
> >
> > if ($bar === 666)
> > delete_everything();
> > }
function foo($var) {
escape when( $bar === 1 || $bar !== 600 );
delete_everything();
}