[RFC] Unbundle ext/xmlrpc

5 years ago by Christoph M. Becker — view source

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Hi all,

I propose to unbundle ext/xmlrpc, and written a respective RFC:

https://wiki.php.net/rfc/unbundle_xmlprc

Thanks for consideration,
Christoph

5 years ago by Sebastian Bergmann — view source

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Am 26.04.2020 um 15:28 schrieb Christoph M. Becker:

I propose to unbundle ext/xmlrpc, and written a respective RFC:

Makes sense to me.

5 years ago by Matteo Beccati — view source

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Am 26.04.2020 um 15:28 schrieb Christoph M. Becker:

I propose to unbundle ext/xmlrpc, and written a respective RFC:

Makes sense to me.

Make sense to me too.

Also speaking as maintainer of an OSS project that still has an XML-RPC
API, which depends anyway on a userland implementation and not on
ext/xmlrpc.

Cheers

Matteo Beccati

Development & Consulting - http://www.beccati.com/

5 years ago by Christoph M. Becker — view source

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I propose to unbundle ext/xmlrpc, and written a respective RFC:

https://wiki.php.net/rfc/unbundle_xmlprc

Thanks for the feedback so far. Unless there are further issues
regarding the RFC to be discussed, I'll open voting tomorrow.

Thanks,
Christoph

5 years ago by bjorn.x.larsson@telia.com — view source

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Den 2020-05-11 kl. 08:57, skrev Christoph M. Becker:

I propose to unbundle ext/xmlrpc, and written a respective RFC:

https://wiki.php.net/rfc/unbundle_xmlprc
Thanks for the feedback so far. Unless there are further issues
regarding the RFC to be discussed, I'll open voting tomorrow.

Thanks,
Christoph

For sure it makes sense to unbundle it! However, I recall the discussion
that was held around unbundling of ext/wddx that was about PECL
becoming a graveyard for unmaintained extensions. Is any of that
also applicable here, e.g. secondary voting option?

https://externals.io/message/103164#103209

r//Björn L

5 years ago by Nikita Popov — view source

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On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:00 AM Björn Larsson bjorn.x.larsson@telia.com
wrote:

Den 2020-05-11 kl. 08:57, skrev Christoph M. Becker:

I propose to unbundle ext/xmlrpc, and written a respective RFC:

https://wiki.php.net/rfc/unbundle_xmlprc
Thanks for the feedback so far. Unless there are further issues
regarding the RFC to be discussed, I'll open voting tomorrow.

Thanks,
Christoph

For sure it makes sense to unbundle it! However, I recall the discussion
that was held around unbundling of ext/wddx that was about PECL
becoming a graveyard for unmaintained extensions. Is any of that
also applicable here, e.g. secondary voting option?

https://externals.io/message/103164#103209

To be clear, the secondary voting option you're suggesting is whether to
deprecate the extension in PECL?

I believe the RFC already addresses the question, and I agree with the
reasoning where. Unlike the move of wddx to PECL, which was partially made
because we had specific security concerns with the extension, our primary
concern here is maintenance. There does not seem to be a strong need to
signal that people should stop using it ASAP. The extension (and more
importantly, the underlying library) has been unmaintained for many years
already and the move to PECL will not change things materially in that
regard.

Nikita

5 years ago by bjorn.x.larsson@telia.com — view source

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Den 2020-05-11 kl. 11:16, skrev Nikita Popov:

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:00 AM Björn Larsson
<bjorn.x.larsson@telia.com mailto:bjorn.x.larsson@telia.com> wrote:
Den 2020-05-11 kl. 08:57, skrev Christoph M. Becker:

> 
>
>> I propose to unbundle ext/xmlrpc, and written a respective RFC:
>>
>> <https://wiki.php.net/rfc/unbundle_xmlprc>
> Thanks for the feedback so far.  Unless there are further issues
> regarding the RFC to be discussed, I'll open voting tomorrow.
>
> Thanks,
> Christoph

For sure it makes sense to unbundle it! However, I recall the
discussion
that was held around unbundling of ext/wddx that was about PECL
becoming a graveyard for unmaintained extensions. Is any of that
also applicable here, e.g. secondary voting option?

- https://externals.io/message/103164#103209
To be clear, the secondary voting option you're suggesting is whether
to deprecate the extension in PECL?

I believe the RFC already addresses the question, and I agree with the
reasoning where. Unlike the move of wddx to PECL, which was partially
made because we had specific security concerns with the extension, our
primary concern here is maintenance. There does not seem to be a
strong need to signal that people should stop using it ASAP. The
extension (and more importantly, the underlying library) has been
unmaintained for many years already and the move to PECL will not
change things materially in that regard.

Nikita

That was exactly my concern, i.e. to deprecate it or not. I was
seeing deprecation also as a signal about quality, not just if
there was a security issue. OTOH, maybe that's obvious when
looking at the changelog in the future.

r//Björn L

5 years ago by Christoph M. Becker — view source

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Den 2020-05-11 kl. 08:57, skrev Christoph M. Becker:

I propose to unbundle ext/xmlrpc, and written a respective RFC:

https://wiki.php.net/rfc/unbundle_xmlprc
Thanks for the feedback so far. Unless there are further issues
regarding the RFC to be discussed, I'll open voting tomorrow.

Thanks,
Christoph

For sure it makes sense to unbundle it! However, I recall the discussion
that was held around unbundling of ext/wddx that was about PECL
becoming a graveyard for unmaintained extensions. Is any of that
also applicable here, e.g. secondary voting option?

https://externals.io/message/103164#103209

Well, I don't suggest to deprecate this extension (nor parts of it).
Contrary to wddx, xmlrpc is still a useful protocol, and the API of the
extension doesn't have inherent issues.

Thanks,
Christoph