A compromise between the two positions could be to allow voting to be 
extended ONCE, and only within the first X% of the voting period. So, if 
someone calls for a 14 day voting period, within the first 7 days they can 
extend it at most one time, and it can never be extended after the first 7 
days.
It's tempting to try and encode "requirements" into rules, but we're not 
looking to make complicated rules and the only requirement we have is that 
votes should last at least two weeks for everything. The simpler the rules 
are, the better for everyone.
Also, if you are going to be updating the language anyway, why not 
specify that an exact date and time be given for when voting will end. I 
think most people already do this - but this would codify it and prevent 
the possibility of ambiguity in the future.
We have to deal with real life, and the fact is that hardly anyone can 
schedule their lives around their contributions to PHP: Days seem to be an 
exact enough measure, and as you say, some people do give a time when the 
vote will close anyway. However, declaring they must isn't very realistic - 
if they miss closing the vote by 15 minutes, does it invalidate the vote ? 
Are we going to invent a set of criteria that would invalidate the vote ? 
This seems like a rabbit hole we need not get stuck in.
Cheers 
Joe
Morning Niklas,
Allowing the extension of voting leaves us open to someone extending the 
voting period simply because they don't feel like they have the result 
they 
wanted.
The problem we're trying to solve is votes that are too short, while 
providing the flexibility to have longer votes, but we need to know at the 
start of voting what the voting period is going to be. Take for example 
the 
case where a third party to an RFC is planning some work based on the 
results of the voting, it doesn't seem fair that their schedule could be 
interfered with by the first party after voting starts.
In the vast majority of cases where someone forgets or isn't aware of a 
holiday period, they are going to be told on day one of voting (if not 
before, during discussion), and can simply adjust the voting period, and 
restart the vote (if there has been any votes at the first interjection) 
without having lost any time.
First, I don't even have a vote. Second, I'd be ambivalent about the 
ability to extend voting even if I did. A compromise between the two 
positions could be to allow voting to be extended ONCE, and only within the 
first X% of the voting period. So, if someone calls for a 14 day voting 
period, within the first 7 days they can extend it at most one time, and it 
can never be extended after the first 7 days.
Also, if you are going to be updating the language anyway, why not specify 
that an exact date and time be given for when voting will end. I think most 
people already do this - but this would codify it and prevent the 
possibility of ambiguity in the future.
Cheers 
Joe
Resend, because sent from the wrong address previously.
+1, but it should probably be possible to extend the voting period once 
started, but not shorten it. This allows for extension during holidays 
in 
case the author didn't think about that when starting the vote.
Regards, Niklas
Joe Watkins krakjoe@php.net schrieb am Do., 21. März 2019, 19:20:
Evening internals,
I'd like to raise for discussion another minor, self contained change 
to 
the voting RFC:
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/abolish-short-votes
This seems like another no-brainer to improve and clarify the voting 
process. As with abolishing narrow margins, I'm focused on this one 
detail 
and wider discussion of how we may improve other parts of the voting 
RFC 
is 
not appropriate in this thread: We either have a consensus that this 
detail 
should be changed or we don't, we do not need to discuss any other 
details 
here.
Cheers 
Joe
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