# php.net mailing setup owner? - Thread: https://externals.io/message/97214 - Original archive: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/97214 - Started by Stanislav Malyshev on 2016-11-27T22:44:25+00:00 - Messages: 13 - Reply by email to internals@lists.php.net - More for agents: search with https://externals.io/search.md?q={query} · RFCs at https://externals.io/rfc.md · JSON API at https://externals.io/api · documentation at https://externals.io/llms.txt --- ## #97214 — Stanislav Malyshev — 2016-11-27T22:44:25+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/97214#97214 Hi! Is there somebody around who knows what happens with configuration of mailer in php.net domain? I get my mails sent to @php.net addresses bouncing for months now, I get this every time I try it: 550 5.7.1 Please change the topic, and retry Needless to say, it's useless to have @php.net mailing addresses if nobody can actually mail anything there. And so far all my emails about this remain unanswered. Do we have no maintenance on our mail server at all? We once has systems list at https://wiki.php.net/systems but that seems to be last updated a year ago and php-smtp2 is not even there. -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com --- ## #97233 — eli@eliw.com — 2016-12-01T14:40:11+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/97214#97233 · In reply to: #97214 Stas ... I think this falls under the whole "no-one really knows who handles the mailing stuff". I myself have an issue that 'randomly' my emails will be bounced for an incorrect blacklist error. And there doesn't seem to be anyone who can get in there and fix stuff since Wez stopped managing the email servers. They are kinda 'running on their own without anyone knowing how they are running'. Eli > Hi! > > Is there somebody around who knows what happens with configuration of > mailer in php.net domain? I get my mails sent to @php.net addresses > bouncing for months now, I get this every time I try it: > > 550 5.7.1 Please change the topic, and retry > > Needless to say, it's useless to have @php.net mailing addresses if > nobody can actually mail anything there. And so far all my emails about > this remain unanswered. Do we have no maintenance on our mail server at > all? > > We once has systems list at https://wiki.php.net/systems but that seems > to be last updated a year ago and php-smtp2 is not even there. -- | Eli White | http://eliw.com/ | Twitter: EliW | --- ## #97234 — Andreas Heigl — 2016-12-01T15:46:18+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/97214#97234 · In reply to: #97233 Hi All. Looks like there should be someone that looks after the email-stuff. I hate "should" and "someone" so I'm stepping up to volunteer to handle that. Either alone or together with someone else (which would be my preffered solution!) Up to know I have set up and managed some very low volume mail-servers mainly for sending or relaying to different mail-addresses but I'm willing to learn. So should one of the current (or past) maintainers be willing to help me with questions I'm sure I can handle that. So who's the right person/group to address and - in case it's wnated that I do that - provide me with insight (and credentials)? Cheers Andreas Am 01.12.16 um 15:40 schrieb Eli: > Stas ... I think this falls under the whole "no-one really knows who > handles the mailing stuff". > > I myself have an issue that 'randomly' my emails will be bounced for an > incorrect blacklist error. And there doesn't seem to be anyone who can > get in there and fix stuff since Wez stopped managing the email > servers. They are kinda 'running on their own without anyone knowing > how they are running'. > > Eli > > > > > […] > > -- > | Eli White | http://eliw.com/ | Twitter: EliW | > -- ,,, (o o) +---------------------------------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo-+ | Andreas Heigl | | mailto:andreas@heigl.org N 50°22'59.5" E 08°23'58" | | http://andreas.heigl.org http://hei.gl/wiFKy7 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | http://hei.gl/root-ca | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ --- ## #97235 — Rasmus Lerdorf — 2016-12-01T15:54:35+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/97214#97235 · In reply to: #97234 The problem here is that it is not a standard mail setup so finding online resources is tricky. It is Ecelerity from MessageSystems. I have been poking the config trying to find where this subject keyword thing is defined, but so far no luck. In the short term I think we need someone who knows Ecelerity to help with this specific problem, but if you would like to read up on it and be the mail server guy, that would be awesome and perhaps you could help transition to a more standard setup that we have a chance of maintaining. Or if not that, at least write up some dumbed down docs on how this beast works. -Rasmus > Hi All. > > Looks like there should be someone that looks after the email-stuff. > > I hate "should" and "someone" so I'm stepping up to volunteer to handle > that. Either alone or together with someone else (which would be my > preffered solution!) > > Up to know I have set up and managed some very low volume mail-servers > mainly for sending or relaying to different mail-addresses but I'm > willing to learn. So should one of the current (or past) maintainers be > willing to help me with questions I'm sure I can handle that. > > So who's the right person/group to address and - in case it's wnated > that I do that - provide me with insight (and credentials)? > > Cheers > > Andreas > > Am 01.12.16 um 15:40 schrieb Eli: > > […] > > > -- > ,,, > (o o) > +---------------------------------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo-+ > | Andreas Heigl | > | mailto:andreas@heigl.org N 50°22'59.5" E 08°23'58" | > | http://andreas.heigl.org http://hei.gl/wiFKy7 | > +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | http://hei.gl/root-ca | > +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ --- ## #97236 — Derick Rethans — 2016-12-01T16:00:01+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/97214#97236 · In reply to: #97235 > The problem here is that it is not a standard mail setup so finding online > resources is tricky. It is Ecelerity from MessageSystems. I have been > poking the config trying to find where this subject keyword thing is > defined, but so far no luck. In the short term I think we need someone who > knows Ecelerity to help with this specific problem, but if you would like > to read up on it and be the mail server guy, that would be awesome and > perhaps you could help transition to a more standard setup that we have a > chance of maintaining. Or if not that, at least write up some dumbed down > docs on how this beast works. I think it's time to retire Ecelerity. Nobody knows how it works. if It'd be postfix, I would likely have checked one of these ghost mail reports out... cheers, Derick -- https://derickrethans.nl | https://xdebug.org | https://dram.io Like Xdebug? Consider a donation: https://xdebug.org/donate.php twitter: @derickr and @xdebug --- ## #97237 — Andreas Heigl — 2016-12-01T16:15:28+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/97214#97237 · In reply to: #97235 Hi All, Hi Rasmus. Am 01.12.16 um 16:54 schrieb Rasmus Lerdorf: > The problem here is that it is not a standard mail setup so finding online > resources is tricky. It is Ecelerity from MessageSystems. I have been > poking the config trying to find where this subject keyword thing is > defined, but so far no luck. In the short term I think we need someone who > knows Ecelerity to help with this specific problem, but if you would like > to read up on it and be the mail server guy, that would be awesome and > perhaps you could help transition to a more standard setup that we have a > chance of maintaining. Or if not that, at least write up some dumbed down > docs on how this beast works. The offer still stands. Even though it looks very ... Eccentric. :) I know a bit about postfix and am willing to learn about Ecelerity and perhaps we can make a transition. But *that's* a second step in my eyes. Let's first handle the beast at hands and then see what comes up next. Cheers Andreas > > -Rasmus > > > > > […] > -- ,,, (o o) +---------------------------------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo-+ | Andreas Heigl | | mailto:andreas@heigl.org N 50°22'59.5" E 08°23'58" | | http://andreas.heigl.org http://hei.gl/wiFKy7 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | http://hei.gl/root-ca | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ --- ## #97241 — Rasmus Lerdorf — 2016-12-01T22:48:41+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/97214#97241 · In reply to: #97236 > > I think it's time to retire Ecelerity. Nobody knows how it works. if > It'd be postfix, I would likely have checked one of these ghost mail > reports out... > I don't think anyone disagrees with that, but at the same time it is a lot of work to switch and get a secure and efficient anti-spam mail server working well these days. -Rasmus --- ## #97242 — Davey Shafik — 2016-12-02T02:10:23+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/97214#97242 · In reply to: #97241 > > > […] > > I don't think anyone disagrees with that, but at the same time it is a lot > of work to switch and get a secure and efficient anti-spam mail server > working well these days. I'm going to assume that outsourcing it (with sponsorship?) is out of the question? --- ## #97245 — Andreas Heigl — 2016-12-02T10:05:34+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/97214#97245 · In reply to: #97242 Hi Davey, hi All Am 02.12.16 um 03:10 schrieb Davey Shafik: > On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf > wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 8:00 AM, Derick Rethans > wrote: > > […] > > I don't think anyone disagrees with that, but at the same time it is > a lot > of work to switch and get a secure and efficient anti-spam mail server > working well these days. > > > I'm going to assume that outsourcing it (with sponsorship?) is out of > the question? > Personally I think having control over our infrastructure makes it easier to handle special use-cases. So outsorcing Email to an SAAS-provider wouldn't be my first option. Even though outsorcing might solve some issues due to having specialists handling everything we'd always need to circumvent their "one setup for all"-solutions for special use-cases. That might be a feasible solution for the mailinglists but I don't see our actual Emails going that way. But perhaps others see that different. Cheers Andreas -- ,,, (o o) +---------------------------------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo-+ | Andreas Heigl | | mailto:andreas@heigl.org N 50°22'59.5" E 08°23'58" | | http://andreas.heigl.org http://hei.gl/wiFKy7 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | http://hei.gl/root-ca | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ --- ## #97271 — Sascha Schumann — 2016-12-04T09:41:27+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/97214#97271 · In reply to: #97245 Everyone, Ecelerity has been retired for close to two years (Feb 2015). The MX for php.net is a single, well-maintained Postfix instance. If there are any issues, please let me know and Cc systems@ Thanks Sascha --- ## #97293 — Florian Anderiasch — 2016-12-05T21:39:25+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/97214#97293 · In reply to: #97271 > Ecelerity has been retired for close to two years (Feb 2015). > > The MX for php.net is a single, well-maintained Postfix instance. > > If there are any issues, please let me know and Cc systems@ > > Thanks > Sascha > Added it to the wiki now with all the info provided / easily found out: https://wiki.php.net/systems/php-smtp2 ~Florian --- ## #97303 — Andreas Heigl — 2016-12-06T06:07:28+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/97214#97303 · In reply to: #97271 Hi Sascha. Thanks for the clarification. Can you shed some light to whether pb1.php.net - which according to https://wiki.php.net/systems/pb1 holds the mailinglists - is still tunning Ecelerity or not? Cheers Andreas -- Andreas Heigl Andreas@heigl.org > Am 04.12.2016 um 10:41 schrieb Sascha Schumann : > > Everyone, > > Ecelerity has been retired for close to two years (Feb 2015). > > The MX for php.net is a single, well-maintained Postfix instance. > > If there are any issues, please let me know and Cc systems@ > > Thanks > Sascha --- ## #97317 — Rasmus Lerdorf — 2016-12-07T05:43:02+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/97214#97317 · In reply to: #97303 Ecelerity is on osu1php and it is still taking traffic even though the mx for php.net doesn't point to it. So something somewhere is hardcoded to use it. But this discussion is better suited for the systems@ list.