# On voting, including the next release name. - Thread: https://externals.io/message/76111 - Original archive: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/76111 - Started by Bishop Bettini on 2014-07-25T11:17:52+00:00 - Messages: 5 - Reply by email to internals@lists.php.net - More for agents: search with https://externals.io/search.md?q={query} · JSON API at https://externals.io/api · documentation at https://externals.io/llms.txt --- ## #76111 — Bishop Bettini — 2014-07-25T11:17:52+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/76111#76111 I just voted on the next release name . If you have, too: thank you. If you haven't, I encourage you to do so. The way voting works now, I happen to know which option is "winning". I happened to know that *before* I cast my vote. The current results are posted on the RFC, and the same information percolated into emails encouraging folks to vote. I wonder, though, if knowing which was "leading" and who chose which "side" affected my vote.... I propose that a poll's results tabulation be hidden until after the poll closes to avoid this Bandwagon Effect . Otherwise, how do we know the vote reflects just the presented arguments instead of the arguments *and* the weight of popularity? Sincerely, bishop --- ## #76112 — Matteo Beccati — 2014-07-25T11:33:19+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/76111#76112 · In reply to: #76111 > I propose that a poll's results tabulation be hidden until after the poll > closes to avoid this Bandwagon Effect > . Otherwise, how do we know > the vote reflects just the presented arguments instead of the arguments > *and* the weight of popularity? I might be wrong, but I think someone tried, but was asked to revert the change soon after. I would also expect that people who have voting rights on the wiki are mature enough to vote based on their own knowledge and experience, and not only because someone else voted a certain way (or didn't). Speaking for myself if I don't have an opinion on some RFCs, I just avoid voting. About this specific RFC, are you trying to suggest that 7 is leading (49 vs 21 atm) because of the bandwagon effect and we should restart the vote? /me facepalm ;) Cheers -- Matteo Beccati Development & Consulting - http://www.beccati.com/ --- ## #76120 — Peter Cowburn — 2014-07-25T13:14:20+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/76111#76120 · In reply to: #76111 > I just voted on the next release name . If > you have, too: thank you. If you haven't, I encourage you to do so. > > The way voting works now, I happen to know which option is "winning". I > happened to know that *before* I cast my vote. The current results are > posted on the RFC, and the same information percolated into emails > encouraging folks to vote. I wonder, though, if knowing which was "leading" > and who chose which "side" affected my vote.... > > I propose that a poll's results tabulation be hidden until after the poll > closes to avoid this Bandwagon Effect > . Otherwise, how do we > know > the vote reflects just the presented arguments instead of the arguments > *and* the weight of popularity? > We tried this [1], and it was promptly reverted [2]. > > Sincerely, > bishop > [1] https://github.com/php/web-wiki/pull/1 [2] http://markmail.org/thread/3tk3ayjy54mviuig --- ## #76147 — Stas Malyshev — 2014-07-25T22:01:08+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/76111#76147 · In reply to: #76111 Hi! > The way voting works now, I happen to know which option is "winning". I > happened to know that *before* I cast my vote. The current results are > posted on the RFC, and the same information percolated into emails > encouraging folks to vote. I wonder, though, if knowing which was "leading" > and who chose which "side" affected my vote.... If you're not sure which side is right and you just want to side with one that is currently winning, then why vote at all? It is currently winning in any case, so your vote is not required, and you obviously not sure which option is right anyway. > I propose that a poll's results tabulation be hidden until after the poll We already discussed it, and it was rejected. > . Otherwise, how do we know > the vote reflects just the presented arguments instead of the arguments > *and* the weight of popularity? If you are not sure if you understand the matter enough to have an informed opinion and not just jump on the bandwagon, please refrain from voting. Thanks, -- Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect SugarCRM: http://www.sugarcrm.com/ --- ## #76200 — Sean Coates — 2014-07-27T17:57:02+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/76111#76200 · In reply to: #76111 > The way voting works now, I happen to know which option is "winning". I > happened to know that *before* I cast my vote. The current results are > posted on the RFC, and the same information percolated into emails > encouraging folks to vote. I wonder, though, if knowing which was "leading" > and who chose which "side" affected my vote.... (This is hardly an internals topic, and I'm hesitant to reply on this list, but…) FWIW, I think it's valuable to see what other people have voted. For example, if I'm looking over an RFC and see that my opinion is in opposition to someone else I respect in the community, it may cause me to reconsider. (e.g. if I noticed that I'd voted against Sara's vote, it would make me wonder what I missed). S