# RHEL 7 beta ships with PHP 5.4 instead of 5.5 - Thread: https://externals.io/message/70663 - Original archive: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/70663 - Started by andre.romcke@ez.no on 2013-12-16T14:03:10+00:00 - Messages: 8 - Reply by email to internals@lists.php.net - More for agents: search with https://externals.io/search.md?q={query} · JSON API at https://externals.io/api · documentation at https://externals.io/llms.txt --- ## #70663 — andre.romcke@ez.no — 2013-12-16T14:03:10+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/70663#70663 Hi, See: http://developerblog.redhat.com/2013/12/11/rh-announces-rhel-7-beta/ anyone in here with Redhat connections that can suggest that they consider an update to PHP 5.5 before final? Benefit for developers: - PHP Projects that support the major linux distributions can take advantage of 5.5 features in ~12-18 months* as opposed to in 3-4 years Benefit for maintainer: - APC for PHP 5.4 is labeled beta, while OPcache in PHP 5.5 is stable and maintained Benefit for users: - Better performance Best Regards, andrerom eZ Systems http://ez.no/5.2 * https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2013/10/msg00004.html --- ## #71681 — Marco Pivetta — 2014-01-28T16:46:46+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/70663#71681 · In reply to: #70663 Hi there! Sorry to just bump arrogantly like this, but have there been any updates regarding RHEL-7 and PHP5.5? It looks like Debian Jessie (testing) and the next Ubuntu LTS are shipping with PHP 5.5, so RHEL would basically be the only major "block" to workaround for the next iteration of framework development... Marco Pivetta http://twitter.com/Ocramius http://ocramius.github.com/ > Hi, > > > See: http://developerblog.redhat.com/2013/12/11/rh-announces-rhel-7-beta/ > anyone in here with Redhat connections that can suggest that they consider > an update to PHP 5.5 before final? > > > Benefit for developers: > - PHP Projects that support the major linux distributions can take > advantage of 5.5 features in ~12-18 months* as opposed to in 3-4 years > > Benefit for maintainer: > - APC for PHP 5.4 is labeled beta, while OPcache in PHP 5.5 is stable and > maintained > > Benefit for users: > - Better performance > > > > Best Regards, > andrerom > eZ Systems > http://ez.no/5.2 > > > * https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2013/10/msg00004.html --- ## #71685 — Christopher Jones — 2014-01-28T17:08:21+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/70663#71685 · In reply to: #71681 > Hi there! > > Sorry to just bump arrogantly like this, but have there been any updates > regarding RHEL-7 and PHP5.5? > > It looks like Debian Jessie (testing) and the next Ubuntu LTS are shipping > with PHP 5.5, so RHEL would basically be the only major "block" to > workaround for the next iteration of framework development... > > Marco Pivetta > > http://twitter.com/Ocramius > > http://ocramius.github.com/ Remi (CCd) might be the best person to ask. Chirs > > > > > > […] > -- christopher.jones@oracle.com http://twitter.com/ghrd Free PHP & Oracle book: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/topics/php/underground-php-oracle-manual-098250.html --- ## #71687 — Remi Collet — 2014-01-28T17:17:56+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/70663#71687 · In reply to: #71681 Le 28/01/2014 17:46, Marco Pivetta a écrit : > Hi there! > > Sorry to just bump arrogantly like this, but have there been any updates > regarding RHEL-7 and PHP5.5? Probably you should more consider RHEL as a "hardware" platform and then use RHSCL which provides more recent version of various language stacks (also available in CentOS [1]) RHEL 6 have PHP 5.3.3, but RHSCL 1.0 have 5.4.16 RHEL 7 have PHP 5.4.16 We could very probably expect RHSCL "next" to provides both PHP 5.4 and 5.5 for RHEL 6 and 7. More information about using SCL on my blog [2] Notice, an amazing feature of SCL if to allow parallel installation of various PHP versions, and use them at the same time. We are just waiting for SCL Guidelines to be approved (Fedora) to be able to provide additional extensions/libraries in EPEL. Remi. [1] http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-announce/2013-October/020000.html [2] http://blog.famillecollet.com/tag/SCL --- ## #71688 — Lior Kaplan — 2014-01-28T17:19:37+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/70663#71688 · In reply to: #71681 > It looks like Debian Jessie (testing) and the next Ubuntu LTS are shipping > with PHP 5.5, so RHEL would basically be the only major "block" to > workaround for the next iteration of framework development... > The next Ubuntu LTS (14.04) will have PHP 5.5 (currently 5.5.8). Debian testing indeed has PHP 5.5. But, the next Debian will probably have 5.6 (which uploaded today to Debian experimental). Kaplan (also a Debian project member) --- ## #71692 — andre.romcke@ez.no — 2014-01-28T18:49:26+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/70663#71692 · In reply to: #71687 > Le 28/01/2014 17:46, Marco Pivetta a écrit : > > […] > > Probably you should more consider RHEL as a "hardware" platform and then > use RHSCL which provides more recent version of various language stacks > (also available in CentOS [1]) RHSCL is nice, but: - 5.5 has been out for quite some time - On current RHSCL you can get PHP 5.4 but no stable opcache as neither APC or ZendOpcache is offically stable for 5.4 Last point would probably hit RHEL 7 pretty hard as well, or? Also for PHP software vendors relying on RHSCL adds quite some extra effort in terms documentation on setup, and support in cases where user has several php instances and runs wrong versions on CLI vs web. Additionally for your sake it adds some value that your main packages and sites like distrowatch showing that you have PHP 5.5 for the next 3-4 years considering this will be the next big push in the PHP community*. Best Regards, André Rømcke VP Engineering eZ Systems AS * On PHP-FIG there are ongoing discussions about starting a new GOPHP5! effort for 5.5 this year. --- ## #71720 — Joe Orton — 2014-01-29T10:14:57+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/70663#71720 · In reply to: #71692 > RHSCL is nice, but: > - 5.5 has been out for quite some time > - On current RHSCL you can get PHP 5.4 but no stable opcache as neither APC or ZendOpcache is offically stable for 5.4 > > Last point would probably hit RHEL 7 pretty hard as well, or? Hi André. This is way off-topic for internals@ but I'll jump in anyway. We basically have always faced this tension with RHEL, where we have a very long support lifecycle. The version of PHP we ship in RHEL7 will be considered "old and out of date" by the PHP community for most of the RHEL7 lifecycle, regardless of whether that is 5.4 or 5.5. But in RHEL we aim to provide a stable, well tested, supported & secure platform for customers, not the latest and greatest upstream bits. As Remi said we are looking to Software Collections as a way we can better meet demand for "latest and greatest" bits from upstream. I'd be happy to discuss further but it's probably best if we take it off-list! Regards, Joe --- ## #71754 — Andrea Faulds — 2014-01-29T21:07:13+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/70663#71754 · In reply to: #71720 > The version of PHP we ship in RHEL7 will be considered "old and out of > date" by the PHP community for most of the RHEL7 lifecycle, regardless > of whether that is 5.4 or 5.5. But in RHEL we aim to provide a stable, > well tested, supported & secure platform for customers, not the latest > and greatest upstream bits. PHP 5.5 is stable, well-tested, supported and secure. At least, moreso than 5.4 -- Andrea Faulds http://ajf.me/