# When will 5.2 binaries be retired from windows.php.net? - Thread: https://externals.io/message/68834 - Original archive: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/68834 - Started by Thomas Hruska on 2013-09-02T08:38:26+00:00 - Messages: 13 - Reply by email to internals@lists.php.net - More for agents: search with https://externals.io/search.md?q={query} · JSON API at https://externals.io/api · documentation at https://externals.io/llms.txt --- ## #68834 — Thomas Hruska — 2013-09-02T08:38:26+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/68834#68834 It is approaching 2 1/2 years since the last release of PHP 5.2. 5.2 has been declared dead on more than one occasion around here. The dust has more or less settled since PHP 5.3 EOL was announced. The ONLY reason I still support 5.2 in my own userland software is because the 5.2 binaries are available on windows.php.net. There are some things I'd like to do that are only available in the core in 5.3 and later but I won't do them until the binaries for 5.2 disappear from the website. I like to make sure I reach the widest possible, yet rationally supportable audience. As such, I figure that generally supporting whatever users can download from an official source is a good logical cutoff point. Is the issue the 5.2 binaries haven't been retired due to 5.2 being compiled with VC6? VC10 and VC11 runtimes fixed a lot of the issues that the VC8 and VC9 runtimes had. I've dropped VC11 runtimes into the same directory as the PHP 5.5 binaries and they seem to work fine on hosts without VC11 on them. That is a huge improvement over the VC9 runtimes, which are a nightmare to work with from both a development and deployment perspective. What I'm NOT saying is that the 5.2 binaries should come down right now. What I am saying is that the discussion and the plan formulated for their removal should take place if it hasn't already. -- Thomas Hruska CubicleSoft President I've got great, time saving software that you might find useful. http://cubiclesoft.com/ --- ## #68964 — Ferenc Kovacs — 2013-09-09T12:26:45+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/68834#68964 · In reply to: #68834 On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Thomas Hruska wrote: > It is approaching 2 1/2 years since the last release of PHP 5.2. 5.2 has > been declared dead on more than one occasion around here. The dust has > more or less settled since PHP 5.3 EOL was announced. The ONLY reason I > still support 5.2 in my own userland software is because the 5.2 binaries > are available on windows.php.net. There are some things I'd like to do > that are only available in the core in 5.3 and later but I won't do them > until the binaries for 5.2 disappear from the website. I like to make sure > I reach the widest possible, yet rationally supportable audience. As such, > I figure that generally supporting whatever users can download from an > official source is a good logical cutoff point. > > Is the issue the 5.2 binaries haven't been retired due to 5.2 being > compiled with VC6? VC10 and VC11 runtimes fixed a lot of the issues that > the VC8 and VC9 runtimes had. I've dropped VC11 runtimes into the same > directory as the PHP 5.5 binaries and they seem to work fine on hosts > without VC11 on them. That is a huge improvement over the VC9 runtimes, > which are a nightmare to work with from both a development and deployment > perspective. > > What I'm NOT saying is that the 5.2 binaries should come down right now. > What I am saying is that the discussion and the plan formulated for their > removal should take place if it hasn't already. > > Currently the downloads page on http://php.net/ only lists the supported versions(5.3, 5.4, 5.5) and I think that http://windows.php.net/ should be synced with that, so the 5.2 links should be removed. http://museum.php.net/ already has those binaries, so it would be still available for those who are looking for that version, but without the possible confusion that the 5.2 version is still supported on windows. Pierre, what do you think? -- Ferenc Kovács @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu --- ## #68965 — Pierre Joye — 2013-09-09T12:33:22+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/68834#68965 · In reply to: #68964 hi, > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Thomas Hruska wrote: > > > […] > Currently the downloads page on http://php.net/ only lists the supported > versions(5.3, 5.4, 5.5) and I think that http://windows.php.net/ should be > synced with that, so the 5.2 links should be removed. > http://museum.php.net/ already has those binaries, so it would be still > available for those who are looking for that version, but without the > possible confusion that the 5.2 version is still supported on windows. > Pierre, what do you think? There is no link from windows.php.net web sites to 5.2. They only remain in the downloads section, if accessed directly. Cheers, -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://www.libgd.org --- ## #68967 — Lester Caine — 2013-09-09T13:25:13+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/68834#68967 · In reply to: #68965 Pierre Joye wrote: > There is no link from windows.php.net web sites to 5.2. They only > remain in the downloads section, if accessed directly. I think it's the presence of 5.2 on the download page that is being talked about? While I still have reason to use 5.2, I'd support dropping this ti the archives. You only need to be using 5.2 if you already have it installed, and it's up to us to manage that access. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk --- ## #68969 — Ferenc Kovacs — 2013-09-09T13:48:35+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/68834#68969 · In reply to: #68965 > > […] > be > > […] > > There is no link from windows.php.net web sites to 5.2. They only > remain in the downloads section, if accessed directly. > > yes, we are talking about the downloads page, which page is linked from like every release annonuncement on the windows.php.net frontpage(we even have 5.2 release announcements if you scroll down a bit). I think we should remove the 5.2 section from the downloads page. -- Ferenc Kovács @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu --- ## #68970 — Julien Pauli — 2013-09-09T14:14:32+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/68834#68970 · In reply to: #68969 > > […] > supported > > […] > still > > […] > yes, we are talking about the downloads page, which page is linked from > like every release annonuncement on the windows.php.net frontpage(we even > have 5.2 release announcements if you scroll down a bit). > I think we should remove the 5.2 section from the downloads page. > I agree as it's been EOLed. Julien.Pauli --- ## #68971 — Pierre Joye — 2013-09-09T14:28:24+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/68834#68971 · In reply to: #68970 done, was sure it was done since long already. > > > […] > > > I agree as it's been EOLed. > > Julien.Pauli -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org --- ## #68972 — Lester Caine — 2013-09-09T16:21:00+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/68834#68972 · In reply to: #68971 Pierre Joye wrote: > done, was sure it was done since long already. Pierre ... I think that the 5.2 stuff was left as the only VC6 build. The notes of the side bar refer still to using that when perhaps a 'no longer supported' may be better? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk --- ## #68973 — Pierre Joye — 2013-09-09T16:21:11+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/68834#68973 · In reply to: #68972 > Pierre Joye wrote: > > […] > > > Pierre ... I think that the 5.2 stuff was left as the only VC6 build. The > notes of the side bar refer still to using that when perhaps a 'no longer > supported' may be better? As it is no longer supported it has no place there. However you can still fetch it here http://windows.php.net/downloads/ we keep there as many installers fetch it from there, as convenience. But its time is counted as well (will be moved to museum), -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://www.libgd.org --- ## #68975 — Lester Caine — 2013-09-09T18:06:43+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/68834#68975 · In reply to: #68973 Pierre Joye wrote: > > > […] > > As it is no longer supported it has no place there. > > However you can still fetch it here http://windows.php.net/downloads/ > we keep there as many installers fetch it from there, as convenience. > But its time is counted as well (will be moved to museum), Pierre ... all I am saying is that the reference to 'older VC6 versions' in the left hand column would benefit from a 'which are only available in the museum', although I would suggest it may be better simply to say 'no longer supported'. *I* seem to recall that you did take the 5.2 stuff off, but restored it when the Apache link was pointed out ... but I may well be wrong ;) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk --- ## #68986 — Pierre Joye — 2013-09-09T22:28:37+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/68834#68986 · In reply to: #68975 > Pierre ... all I am saying is that the reference to 'older VC6 versions' in > the left hand column would benefit from a 'which are only available in the > museum', although I would suggest it may be better simply to say 'no longer > supported'. I do not think it would benefit anyone to promote VC6, in any form :) The only note we keep there is about using apache.org's binaries: "If you are using PHP with Apache 1 or Apache2 fromapache.org (not recommended) you need to use the older VC6 versions of PHP compiled with the legacy Visual Studio 6 compiler. Do NOT use VC9+ versions of PHP with the apache.org binaries." Cheers, -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://www.libgd.org --- ## #68987 — Lester Caine — 2013-09-09T23:05:24+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/68834#68987 · In reply to: #68986 Pierre Joye wrote: > > > > […] > > > I do not think it would benefit anyone to promote VC6, in any form :) Exactly > The only note we keep there is about using apache.org's binaries: > > "If you are using PHP with Apache 1 or Apache2 fromapache.org (not > recommended) you need to use the older VC6 versions of PHP compiled > with the legacy Visual Studio 6 compiler. Do NOT use VC9+ versions of > PHP with the apache.org binaries." Which is why I said 'no longer supported' so an extra line "This is no longer supported." Would just clarify the situation rather than it's current suggestion that you SHOULD use the VC6 versions ... -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk --- ## #68988 — Pierre Joye — 2013-09-09T23:11:45+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/68834#68988 · In reply to: #68987 > Pierre Joye wrote: > > […] > > Exactly > > > > […] > > Which is why I said 'no longer supported' so an extra line > "This is no longer supported." Would just clarify the situation rather than > it's current suggestion that you SHOULD use the VC6 versions ... And it is what it means, you must use VC6, not supported anymore, if you use apache.org's binary. -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://www.libgd.org