# new win32 snapshot: changing .exe names - Thread: https://externals.io/message/6865 - Original archive: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/6865 - Started by Daniel Convissor on 2004-01-08T18:31:03+00:00 - Messages: 10 - Reply by email to internals@lists.php.net - More for agents: search with https://externals.io/search.md?q={query} · JSON API at https://externals.io/api · documentation at https://externals.io/llms.txt --- ## #6865 — Daniel Convissor — 2004-01-08T18:31:03+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/6865#6865 Hi Folks: Downloaded the latest snapshot, php5-win32-200401081130, and am enjoying the new file layout. Both the CGI and CLI exe's are now in the base directory. CLI is called "php.exe" and the CGI is called "php-cgi.exe." Please consider reversing the names. Making the CLI "php-cli.exe" and the CGI "php.exe" will make installation less of a hastle. Users and their computers expect the php.exe to be the CGI and are using it to serve web pages. While having each user individually change their files isn't insurmountable, it's an unnecessary step for many thousands of people. And for some people, it's a step they'd need to repeat over and over as they unzip new snapshots. By the way, thanks for renaming the dll. I'm looking forward to running 4 and 5 concurrently as CGI's on my windows development system. Thanks for your consideration, --Dan -- T H E A N A L Y S I S A N D S O L U T I O N S C O M P A N Y data intensive web and database programming http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/ 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232 v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409 --- ## #6869 — Wez Furlong — 2004-01-08T18:56:00+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/6865#6869 · In reply to: #6865 If you need to configure php5 separately from php4, you're going to be editing your server config anyway, so (IMO at least) this is not an issue. The CLI version should remain php.exe (this has been discussed before). Consider the CGI name change a progressive one that will help avoid confusion with CLI and CGI (which were *both* named php.exe). Now that PHP is expanding outside of the role of a webserver only language, more and more people will be using the CLI version of PHP especially now that win32 PHP is much more attractive for admin tasks (COM!) than it has been in previous releases. The old style dir structure meant that you had to rename the CGI and then move the CLI out of a sub-directory in order to be able to use both CLI and CGI on the same box; clearly this is much more hassle to do for every snap than to change your server config only once :-) --Wez. > Both the CGI and CLI exe's are now in the base directory. CLI is called > "php.exe" and the CGI is called "php-cgi.exe." Please consider reversing > the names. Making the CLI "php-cli.exe" and the CGI "php.exe" will make > installation less of a hastle. > > Users and their computers expect the php.exe to be the CGI and are using > it to serve web pages. While having each user individually change their > files isn't insurmountable, it's an unnecessary step for many thousands of > people. And for some people, it's a step they'd need to repeat over and > over as they unzip new snapshots. > > By the way, thanks for renaming the dll. I'm looking forward to running 4 > and 5 concurrently as CGI's on my windows development system. --- ## #6873 — Daniel Convissor — 2004-01-08T19:00:53+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/6865#6873 · In reply to: #6869 > The old style dir structure meant that you had to rename the CGI and > then move the CLI out of a sub-directory in order to be able to use > both CLI and CGI on the same box; Or don't change anything and just call the CLI using a the full path. Pretty simple. --Dan -- T H E A N A L Y S I S A N D S O L U T I O N S C O M P A N Y data intensive web and database programming http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/ 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232 v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409 --- ## #6875 — Shane Caraveo — 2004-01-08T19:06:29+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/6865#6875 · In reply to: #6869 While I dont care if the name changes for php5, I dont buy the premise that more and more people will be using php outside the web. I think cli has it's uses, but I think it will be a marginal group of people who make large use of it. Shane Wez Furlong wrote: > If you need to configure php5 separately from php4, you're going to be > editing your server config anyway, so (IMO at least) this is not an issue. > > The CLI version should remain php.exe (this has been discussed before). > > Consider the CGI name change a progressive one that will help avoid > confusion with CLI and CGI (which were *both* named php.exe). Now that > PHP is expanding outside of the role of a webserver only language, > more and more people will be using the CLI version of PHP especially > now that win32 PHP is much more attractive for admin tasks (COM!) > than it has been in previous releases. > > The old style dir structure meant that you had to rename the CGI and > then move the CLI out of a sub-directory in order to be able to use > both CLI and CGI on the same box; clearly this is much more hassle > to do for every snap than to change your server config only once :-) > > --Wez. > > > > […] > > of > > > […] > > 4 > > > […] --- ## #6876 — Wez Furlong — 2004-01-08T19:09:01+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/6865#6876 · In reply to: #6873 That doesn't work, since the php5*.dll is not found in the same dir as the exe. > > > > […] > > Or don't change anything and just call the CLI using a the full path. > Pretty simple. --- ## #6886 — Daniel Convissor — 2004-01-08T20:02:10+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/6865#6886 · In reply to: #6869 > If you need to configure php5 separately from php4, you're going to be > editing your server config anyway, so (IMO at least) this is not an issue. But why add needless steps? Let alone, I suspect the majority of users don't play around with both 4 and 5 at the same time. It would be nice for them to be able to kill/move 4 and drop 5 into it's place and have it all run as expected. Yes, I'm pedantic, --Dan -- T H E A N A L Y S I S A N D S O L U T I O N S C O M P A N Y data intensive web and database programming http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/ 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232 v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409 --- ## #6888 — Jani Taskinen — 2004-01-08T20:03:51+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/6865#6888 · In reply to: #6886 Uh..we had this discussion back when CLI was introduced.. please don't start another useless thread about this. It's fine as it is, move along. --Jani > > > […] > >But why add needless steps? Let alone, I suspect the majority of users >don't play around with both 4 and 5 at the same time. It would be nice >for them to be able to kill/move 4 and drop 5 into it's place and have it >all run as expected. > >Yes, I'm pedantic, > >--Dan --- ## #6889 — Daniel Convissor — 2004-01-08T20:10:01+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/6865#6889 · In reply to: #6876 > That doesn't work, since the php5*.dll is not found in the > same dir as the exe. Huh? What I've been doing... To run CLI the script's pound bang is #! c:/progra~1/php/cli/php To run CGI the script's pound bang is #! c:/progra~1/php/php Worked just fine. Wouldnt be much different under the new file name system, using different file names instead of different directory names. --Dan -- T H E A N A L Y S I S A N D S O L U T I O N S C O M P A N Y data intensive web and database programming http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/ 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232 v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409 --- ## #6891 — Wez Furlong — 2004-01-08T20:23:00+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/6865#6891 · In reply to: #6889 And you have c:/program files/php dir in your path, right? If you don't have it in your path, it won't work. > > > […] > > Huh? What I've been doing... > > To run CLI the script's pound bang is > #! c:/progra~1/php/cli/php > To run CGI the script's pound bang is > #! c:/progra~1/php/php > > Worked just fine. Wouldnt be much different under the new file name > system, using different file names instead of different directory names. --- ## #6894 — Daniel Convissor — 2004-01-08T20:33:21+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/6865#6894 · In reply to: #6891 > And you have c:/program files/php dir in your path, right? > If you don't have it in your path, it won't work. And a PHPRC environment variable set to that as well. Don't know why this wasn't the default recommendation on installing PHP 4. A documentation suggestion to this effect, http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=24970, received no response. Whatever. Thanks, --Dan -- T H E A N A L Y S I S A N D S O L U T I O N S C O M P A N Y data intensive web and database programming http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/ 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232 v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409