# O+ 1st results - Thread: https://externals.io/message/65852 - Original archive: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/65852 - Started by Pierre Joye on 2013-02-15T06:21:00+00:00 - Messages: 10 - Reply by email to internals@lists.php.net - More for agents: search with https://externals.io/search.md?q={query} · JSON API at https://externals.io/api · documentation at https://externals.io/llms.txt --- ## #65852 — Pierre Joye — 2013-02-15T06:21:00+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/65852#65852 hi! Here are a first result set using 5.5 and O+. http://windows.php.net/downloads/snaps/ostc/pftt/perf/results-20130213-5.4.11-5.5.0devvc11.html We did not update the templates for the report, please read the table as: - No Cache: . 5.5 VC11 PGO vs 5.4 VC9 PGO - Wincache . 5.4 PGO + Wincache vs 5.5 PGO + O+ TS mode is totally broken using O+, so ignore this column. Mediawiki is slower because it does not support yet O+ for usercache, along other things. Please keep in mind that these tests are only the performance related tests. Unit tests using all apps and phpts are still running. Further tests are running for: - 5.4 PGO + APC vs 5.4 PGO + Wincache vs 5.4 PGO + o+ - 5.3 PGO + APC vs 5.3 PGO + Wincache vs 5.3 PGO + o+ - 5.5 PGO + APC vs 5.5 PGO + Wincache vs 5.5 PGO + o+ I will post the results as soon as they are available. I would also suggest to publish releases as soon as possible on pecl.php.net to increase the user base. Thanks to Steve Zarkos and Matt Ficken for their work :) Cheers, -- Pierre @pierrejoye --- ## #65858 — Jan Ehrhardt — 2013-02-15T08:45:33+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/65852#65858 · In reply to: #65852 Hi Pierre, Pierre Joye in php.internals (Fri, 15 Feb 2013 07:21:00 +0100): >http://windows.php.net/downloads/snaps/ostc/pftt/perf/results-20130213-5.4.11-5.5.0devvc11.html > >We did not update the templates for the report, please read the table as: > >- No Cache: > . 5.5 VC11 PGO vs 5.4 VC9 PGO >- Wincache > . 5.4 PGO + Wincache vs 5.5 PGO + O+ > >TS mode is totally broken using O+, so ignore this column. Is that the column 5.5.0devvc11 under APC -igbinary? I have a Drupal7 site running on my devserver (W2K8, Apache 2.4.3, PHP 5.3.21 TS as mod_fcgid) and do not get the idea it is running at one third (21.9 / 69.4) of the speed of the same site without any cache at all. Do you have an idea what goes wrong? >Mediawiki is slower because it does not support yet O+ for usercache, >along other things. Is the same the case with Symfony? Jan --- ## #65859 — Pierre Joye — 2013-02-15T08:54:03+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/65852#65859 · In reply to: #65858 > Hi Pierre, > > Pierre Joye in php.internals (Fri, 15 Feb 2013 07:21:00 +0100): > > […] > > Is that the column 5.5.0devvc11 under APC -igbinary? I have a Drupal7 > site running on my devserver (W2K8, Apache 2.4.3, PHP 5.3.21 TS as > mod_fcgid) and do not get the idea it is running at one third (21.9 / > 69.4) of the speed of the same site without any cache at all. No, but O+ is broken right now in ZTS, it makes no sense to do further testing before it works for more than 0.5 request ;) But running TS builds in FCGI reduces drastically the issues due to thread safety bugs, while it makes no sense to use them, fcgi and the likes should rely on NTS builds. ZTS will do all kind of locks where it is absolutely not required, that explains at least 15-20% of the perf drop, virtual paths cover the rest. > Do you have an idea what goes wrong? Not yet, Dmitry told me that he will work on it today. > > […] > > Is the same the case with Symfony? no, MediaWiki caching modules only support APC or Wincache so far. Cheers, -- Pierre @pierrejoye --- ## #65860 — Jan Ehrhardt — 2013-02-15T09:08:45+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/65852#65860 · In reply to: #65859 Pierre Joye in php.internals (Fri, 15 Feb 2013 09:54:03 +0100): > > > […] > >No, but O+ is broken right now in ZTS, it makes no sense to do further >testing before it works for more than 0.5 request ;) > >But running TS builds in FCGI reduces drastically the issues due to >thread safety bugs, while it makes no sense to use them, fcgi and the >likes should rely on NTS builds. ZTS will do all kind of locks where >it is absolutely not required, that explains at least 15-20% of the >perf drop, virtual paths cover the rest. I will try to compare the same site side-by-side with different configs. The dev-server has 4 IPv4=adresses which gives a lot of config options. > > […] > >no, MediaWiki caching modules only support APC or Wincache so far. Is the performance drop for Symfony in the Wincache test due to the fact that wincache is optimized for IIS or are there other reasons? Jan --- ## #65861 — Pierre Joye — 2013-02-15T09:15:38+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/65852#65861 · In reply to: #65860 > Pierre Joye in php.internals (Fri, 15 Feb 2013 09:54:03 +0100): > > […] > > > […] > > I will try to compare the same site side-by-side with different configs. > The dev-server has 4 IPv4=adresses which gives a lot of config options. > > > […] > > Is the performance drop for Symfony in the Wincache test due to the fact > that wincache is optimized for IIS or are there other reasons? Did not analyze it yet. WinCache is not IIS optimized but FastCGI (read: process based). Also we did not enabled file IO cache, which could bring it up in line. But as neither APC or O+ have it, it cannot be compared. Cheers, -- Pierre @pierrejoye --- ## #65862 — Damien Tournoud — 2013-02-15T09:17:36+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/65852#65862 · In reply to: #65861 I assume that something is functionally wrong on Symfony/O+: Symfony, IIS, cache, PHP5.5.0devvc11: 2195 Symfony, IIS, cache, PHP5.5.0devvc11: 1919 Symfony, IIS, cache, PHP5.5.0devvc11: 2127 There was a previous report that Twig did not work at all with optimizations enabled. Damien > > > […] http://windows.php.net/downloads/snaps/ostc/pftt/perf/results-20130213-5.4.11-5.5.0devvc11.html > > […] > > Did not analyze it yet. > > WinCache is not IIS optimized but FastCGI (read: process based). Also > we did not enabled file IO cache, which could bring it up in line. > But as neither APC or O+ have it, it cannot be compared. > > Cheers, > -- > Pierre > > @pierrejoye --- ## #65863 — Damien Tournoud — 2013-02-15T09:23:00+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/65852#65863 · In reply to: #65859 > > > […] > > no, MediaWiki caching modules only support APC or Wincache so far. As far as I understand, O+ doesn't have any user caching support, right? So the comparison needs to be with user caching disabled in Mediawiki when running with APC or Wincache. Damien --- ## #65864 — Paul Dragoonis — 2013-02-15T09:25:31+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/65852#65864 · In reply to: #65863 > > > […] > > As far as I understand, O+ doesn't have any user caching support, right? > > So the comparison needs to be with user caching disabled in Mediawiki > when running with APC or Wincache. > Hi Damien, No, O+ doesn't have user level caching, it's only for opcode caching. It was discussed that APC should continue to provide user level caching. > > Damien --- ## #65876 — Stephen Zarkos — 2013-02-15T17:55:20+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/65852#65876 · In reply to: #65862 Hello Damien, > -----Original Message----- > From: Damien Tournoud [mailto:damz@damz.org] > > I assume that something is functionally wrong on Symfony/O+: > > Symfony, IIS, cache, PHP5.5.0devvc11: 2195 Symfony, IIS, cache, > PHP5.5.0devvc11: 1919 Symfony, IIS, cache, PHP5.5.0devvc11: 2127 > Yes, that is correct. We've since corrected the issue for symfony and ran another test with better results. You can always find our test results at the following page (organized by date, top to bottom): http://windows.php.net/downloads/snaps/ostc/pftt/perf/ We'll be running these tests constantly. The next run should also include fixes for ZTS and other things, so please feel free to keep an eye on the latest results and let me know if you have questions. Thanks! Stephen A. Zarkos Microsoft Open Source Technology Center Office: 425-704-0422 stephen.zarkos@microsoft.com --- ## #65883 — keisial@gmail.com — 2013-02-15T20:35:56+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/65852#65883 · In reply to: #65864 > > > […] > Hi Damien, > > No, O+ doesn't have user level caching, it's only for opcode caching. It > was discussed that APC should continue to provide user level caching. Does that mean that MediaWiki was using O+ for opcode cache and APC for user level cache? The best way to compare them would be to test both opcode caches with a memcached server. No interaction between extensions, and no difference in the connections to access the caching store. Moreover, if you are using a production setup with multiple servers, you need to use memcached.