# The built-in PHP web server is very cool! - Thread: https://externals.io/message/64357 - Original archive: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/64357 - Started by Raymond Irving on 2012-12-19T16:05:43+00:00 - Messages: 5 - Reply by email to internals@lists.php.net - More for agents: search with https://externals.io/search.md?q={query} · JSON API at https://externals.io/api · documentation at https://externals.io/llms.txt --- ## #64357 — Raymond Irving — 2012-12-19T16:05:43+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/64357#64357 Hello, I would like to thank you guys very much for adding the built-in PHP web server to PHP. For the first time I've just deployed a quick standalone app without having to go through the trouble of configuring IIS or any other web server. The installation was easy as ABC. The built-in server was designed for development purposes and is not suitable for production environments but IMO it's great for standalone applications. Keep up the good work and improve the features of the server when necessary. __ Raymond --- ## #64358 — William Betts — 2012-12-19T16:07:37+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/64357#64358 · In reply to: #64357 > Hello, > > I would like to thank you guys very much for adding the built-in PHP web > server to PHP. For the first time I've just deployed a quick standalone app > without having to go through the trouble of configuring IIS or any other > web server. The installation was easy as ABC. > > The built-in server was designed for development purposes and is not > suitable for production environments but IMO it's great for standalone > applications. > > Keep up the good work and improve the features of the server when > necessary. > > __ > Raymond > Even for standalone apps it's not a great idea to use it. --- ## #64359 — Raymond Irving — 2012-12-19T16:38:10+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/64357#64359 · In reply to: #64358 Hi William, Why not? On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 11:07 AM, William Betts wrote: > On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Raymond Irving > wrote: > > > […] > app > > […] > > Even for standalone apps it's not a great idea to use it. --- ## #64360 — Patrick ALLAERT — 2012-12-19T17:33:32+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/64357#64360 · In reply to: #64359 2012/12/19 Raymond Irving : > Hi William, > > Why not? Thank you for the kind words Raymond (which should be addressed to Moriyoshi Koizumi), but as mentioned on: http://php.net/manual/en/features.commandline.webserver.php: * It has never been created for anything else than development purpose only. * It also cannot handle more than one request at a time, meaning that if your application has several assets (images, js files, css files,...) all of them will be downloaded sequentially. Situation that is even worse if you have more than one concurrent user. * When it starts, it mentions: "Development Server started", please, let me kindly emphasize the first word once more. Criticisms have been raised about including that feature to the core of PHP for the exact reason that it might be used as a simpler alternative to real web servers. To avoid that, some stress has been put on documentation to insist on not using it for anything else than development. There is also lot of programs bundling PHP, a web server and a database server that are easy to use and configure. Please, don't let room to bad practices which might end up damaging PHP's reputation. @Moriyoshi: Maybe you have more arguments to add? Maybe we should list the reasons not to use it on anything else than development on http://php.net/manual/en/features.commandline.webserver.php? Regards, Patrick --- ## #64370 — Raymond Irving — 2012-12-20T03:29:10+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/64357#64370 · In reply to: #64360 Hi Patrick, Thanks for the feedback. I see your point and share some of your concerns. *> It also cannot handle more than one request at a time...* In my case a standalone web app will only be deployed on a single computer and will only be used by one user at a time, so concurrency should not be a problem. No other user will be able to access the application from the network. These are basically single user web-desktop applications. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Patrick ALLAERT wrote: > 2012/12/19 Raymond Irving : > > […] > > Thank you for the kind words Raymond (which should be addressed to > Moriyoshi Koizumi), but as mentioned on: > http://php.net/manual/en/features.commandline.webserver.php: > * It has never been created for anything else than development purpose > only. > * It also cannot handle more than one request at a time, meaning that > if your application has several assets (images, js files, css > files,...) all of them will be downloaded sequentially. Situation that > is even worse if you have more than one concurrent user. > * When it starts, it mentions: "Development Server started", please, > let me kindly emphasize the first word once more. > > Criticisms have been raised about including that feature to the core > of PHP for the exact reason that it might be used as a simpler > alternative to real web servers. To avoid that, some stress has been > put on documentation to insist on not using it for anything else than > development. > > There is also lot of programs bundling PHP, a web server and a > database server that are easy to use and configure. > Please, don't let room to bad practices which might end up damaging > PHP's reputation. > > @Moriyoshi: Maybe you have more arguments to add? > > Maybe we should list the reasons not to use it on anything else than > development on http://php.net/manual/en/features.commandline.webserver.php > ? > > Regards, > Patrick