# Add runkit to PHP Runtime - Thread: https://externals.io/message/61996 - Original archive: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/61996 - Started by Andrew Faulds on 2012-08-03T09:08:04+00:00 - Messages: 2 - Reply by email to internals@lists.php.net - More for agents: search with https://externals.io/search.md?q={query} · JSON API at https://externals.io/api · documentation at https://externals.io/llms.txt --- ## #61996 — Andrew Faulds — 2012-08-03T09:08:04+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/61996#61996 Lester, you complain about practically everything being complicated/breaking compatibility/not working with PHP 5.2. Why complain here? It doesn't help the signal:noise ratio to moan about something which has no direct effect on you. -- Sent from Samsung Mobile Andrew Faulds http://ajf.me/ Lester Caine wrote: Yahav Gindi Bar wrote: > Maybe I'm wrong when comparing with other languages and mainly with > ASP.NET(C#) since they've used it for web proposes but I did saw many > classes that used this feature and personally really like it. If ASP is so good why is it loosing market share? Personally I'm pulling all the ASP sites I've inherited to PHP simply because the basic work flow in them is so bad. And on some of the inherited PHP sites we have this peculiar concept of having to write a 'controller' for a new page, and then another PHP file with the content. But then am I 'old fashioned' using smarty, templating and storing all the content in a database? This idea of 'controllers' and 'interfaces' does not seem to produce a viable work flow to me, and certainly unravelling the code is a pain :( > I've suggested to improve the language itself with some of the features in > runkit, not to copy and use it as is. People don't use half of the facilities that PHP already has so why start introducing concepts that make that even more difficult. Once again ... we need to explain a lot better how to write 'good programs' using what is currently available without loading the core down with even more eye candy that few people will ever understand fully. I'm still for stripping more stuff back to PECL and coming up with a good 'old fashioned' simple beginners version of PHP to which the eye candy only needs adding once one understands the basics ... -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk --- ## #61999 — Lester Caine — 2012-08-03T09:47:35+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/61996#61999 · In reply to: #61996 Andrew Faulds wrote: > Lester, you complain about practically everything being complicated/breaking > compatibility/not working with PHP 5.2. Why complain here? It doesn't help the > signal:noise ratio to moan about something which has no direct effect on you. When there is no negative responses it is taken that nobody objects to something being added. And currently even if we do object it still gets railroaded through on the basis we do not have to use it. Currently my main incomeis derived from using PHP so ALL of these changes have a direct effect on me ... I've been put in touch with two major projects that are in the same boat as me currently and are now having to manage their transition from 5.2 to 5.4 on user sites so perhaps we can produce some usable documentation between us. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk