# Internals books (c) 2007+ ? - Thread: https://externals.io/message/60589 - Original archive: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/60589 - Started by Sanford Whiteman on 2012-05-15T05:00:44+00:00 - Messages: 8 - Reply by email to internals@lists.php.net - More for agents: search with https://externals.io/search.md?q={query} · JSON API at https://externals.io/api · documentation at https://externals.io/llms.txt --- ## #60589 — Sanford Whiteman — 2012-05-15T05:00:44+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/60589#60589 Hi All, Trying to ready myself for some possible work w/the core (after I resurrect all my never-that-great C, heh), I went looking for a recent book. (I still like old-school supplements.) I see Sara's from 2006 on Amazon, but nothing after that under 'PHP internals'. I'm sure that one's not totally obsolete, but I don't know if programming styles and patterns have changed even if the bulk of the code has not. At the risk of fanning some flames I don't know about... is there a more recent book that's generally liked? Thanks, S. --- ## #60592 — Lars Strojny — 2012-05-17T01:05:40+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/60589#60592 · In reply to: #60589 Hi Sanford, Sara’s book is still the best we have, nevertheless it shows its age. In Theo Schlossnagles "Scalable Internet Architectures" also has a chapter on PHP internals. The rest is more or less reading existing code and playing around. Looks like somebody on Internals should land a book deal :) With regards, Lars Am 15.05.2012 um 07:00 schrieb Sanford Whiteman: > Hi All, > > Trying to ready myself for some possible work w/the core (after I > resurrect all my never-that-great C, heh), I went looking for a recent > book. (I still like old-school supplements.) > > I see Sara's from 2006 on Amazon, but nothing after that under 'PHP > internals'. I'm sure that one's not totally obsolete, but I don't know > if programming styles and patterns have changed even if the bulk of > the code has not. At the risk of fanning some flames I don't know > about... is there a more recent book that's generally liked? > > Thanks, > > S. --- ## #60593 — Sanford Whiteman — 2012-05-17T04:24:46+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/60589#60593 · In reply to: #60592 > Sara’s book is still the best we have, nevertheless it shows its > age. In Theo Schlossnagles "Scalable Internet Architectures" also > has a chapter on PHP internals. The rest is more or less reading > existing code and playing around. Looks like somebody on Internals should land a book deal :) Thanks, Lars. I first learned about zvals from a chapter in George Schlossnagle's Advanced PHP Programming, so it seems like there are deeper dives here and there. I don't know about the book deal if I'm the only to ask about it in so long, though. :) -- S. --- ## #60594 — Nikita Popov — 2012-05-17T11:40:58+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/60589#60594 · In reply to: #60589 On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Sanford Whiteman wrote: > Hi All, > > Trying to ready myself for some possible work w/the core (after I > resurrect all my never-that-great C, heh), I went looking for a recent > book. (I still like old-school supplements.) > > I see Sara's from 2006 on Amazon, but nothing after that under 'PHP > internals'. I'm sure that one's not totally obsolete, but I don't know > if programming styles and patterns have changed even if the bulk of > the code has not. At the risk of fanning some flames I don't know > about... is there a more recent book that's generally liked? You can find a list of various resources regarding PHP internals on the Wiki: https://wiki.php.net/internals/references So, no, there does not seem to be a newer book, but maybe the other stuff can help too :) Nikita --- ## #60597 — johannes@schlueters.de — 2012-05-17T13:35:21+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/60589#60597 · In reply to: #60592 > Looks like somebody on Internals should land a book deal :) You don't earn money on books, and if you don't earn money anyways you can do what is more beneficial for the world: go to edit.php.net and work on php.net/internals2 ;-) johannes --- ## #60599 — Pierre Joye — 2012-05-17T13:58:06+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/60589#60599 · In reply to: #60589 hi, On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Sanford Whiteman wrote: > Hi All, > > Trying to ready myself for some possible work w/the core (after I > resurrect all my never-that-great C, heh), I went looking for a recent > book. (I still like old-school supplements.) > > I see Sara's from 2006 on Amazon, but nothing after that under 'PHP > internals'. I'm sure that one's not totally obsolete, but I don't know > if programming styles and patterns have changed even if the bulk of > the code has not. At the risk of fanning some flames I don't know > about... is there a more recent book that's generally liked? And one book one must read and understand is "The C programming language",by K&R. A must read. Writing php extensions is then only about reading existing source codes (php-src/ext or pecl) or Sarah's book for the basics. Cheers, -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org --- ## #60600 — Lars Strojny — 2012-05-17T14:14:07+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/60589#60600 · In reply to: #60593 Yep, that might be exactly the problem. The audience for such a book might be less than 100. Am 17.05.2012 um 06:24 schrieb Sanford Whiteman: > > […] > > Thanks, Lars. I first learned about zvals from a chapter in George > Schlossnagle's Advanced PHP Programming, so it seems like there are > deeper dives here and there. I don't know about the book deal if I'm > the only to ask about it in so long, though. :) > > -- S. --- ## #60789 — Adi Mutu — 2012-06-10T17:37:39+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/60589#60789 · In reply to: #60600 :) That's too bad....I've read Sara's book, but i'd also buy a new book on this topic. ________________________________ From: Lars Strojny To: Sanford Whiteman Cc: internals@lists.php.net Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Internals books (c) 2007+ ? Yep, that might be exactly the problem. The audience for such a book might be less than 100. Am 17.05.2012 um 06:24 schrieb Sanford Whiteman: > > […] > > Thanks, Lars. I first learned about zvals from a chapter in George > Schlossnagle's Advanced PHP Programming, so it seems like there are > deeper dives here and there. I don't know about the book deal if I'm > the only to ask about it in so long, though. :) > > -- S.