# Version control - Thread: https://externals.io/message/55761 - Original archive: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/55761 - Started by Lester Caine on 2011-10-09T11:45:39+00:00 - Messages: 5 - Reply by email to internals@lists.php.net - More for agents: search with https://externals.io/search.md?q={query} · JSON API at https://externals.io/api · documentation at https://externals.io/llms.txt --- ## #55761 — Lester Caine — 2011-10-09T11:45:39+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/55761#55761 While the stable door has already been slammed shut, I think this will be of interest to other developers ... http://www.ericsink.com/vcbe/index.html Many of the points made have a direct bearing on the rather one sided discussion on DVCS and the best practice seciton of the book is well worth reviewing ;) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php --- ## #55763 — Ferenc Kovacs — 2011-10-09T15:54:39+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/55761#55763 · In reply to: #55761 hi. "on the rather one sided discussion on DVCS" I disagree with that part of your comment. > While the stable door has already been slammed shut, I think this will be of > interest to other developers ... > http://www.ericsink.com/vcbe/index.html > > Many of the points made have a direct bearing on the rather one sided > discussion on DVCS and the best practice seciton of the book is well worth > reviewing ;) > > -- > Lester Caine - G8HFL > ----------------------------- > Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact > L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk > EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ > Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// > Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php > > -- > > > > -- Ferenc Kovács @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu --- ## #55765 — Lester Caine — 2011-10-09T16:31:13+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/55761#55765 · In reply to: #55763 Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > "on the rather one sided discussion on DVCS" > I disagree with that part of your comment. More people are already using git and are not open to changing so the discussion was rather one sided. :( Today that is probably the right choice and does not bother me since hg just works transparently with a git repo anyway. Neither git or hg are a complete answer and while I am currently using the php code base via the hg mirror, switching to a git alternative is not a problem, but the next step is making the rest of the infrastructure work with things. Veracity is looking at the infrastructure problem but is probably some years away from offering an alternative complete package. The book outlines a number of points which provide a balanced view of the remaining problems and certainly clarified a number of the differences between options for me. Something that did not come to light during our own 'discussion'. > > > […] -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php --- ## #55768 — Ferenc Kovacs — 2011-10-09T17:24:21+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/55761#55768 · In reply to: #55765 > Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > > […] > > More people are already using git and are not open to changing so the > discussion was rather one sided. :( Today that is probably the right choice > and does not bother me since hg just works transparently with a git repo > anyway. > > Neither git or hg are a complete answer and while I am currently using the > php code base via the hg mirror, switching to a git alternative is not a > problem, but the next step is making the rest of the infrastructure work > with things. Veracity is looking at the infrastructure problem but is > probably some years away from offering an alternative complete package. The > book outlines a number of points which provide a balanced view of the > remaining problems and certainly clarified a number of the differences > between options for me. Something that did not come to light during our own > 'discussion'. I think the only problem that prevented an even better conversation was that somebody started arguing by gut and when was confronted with reasonable arguments then just kept changing the topic. Do you know how am I talking about? I personally felt really hard to reply some of your mails in that thread without being rude. So while I'm agree that switching DVCS requires careful planning and implementation, but accusing people for being one sided for git when many of them expressed that they personally favor hg(even the person who wrote the rfc, and started the whole discussion) seems unjustified for me. Maybe they are trying to see not just their own preferences but the php ecosystem as whole, and not trying to force their own ideals to others? I don't know, but maybe that could be a hint for you. -- Ferenc Kovács @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu --- ## #55769 — Lester Caine — 2011-10-09T20:53:05+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/55761#55769 · In reply to: #55768 Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > > > […] > > I think the only problem that prevented an even better conversation > was that somebody started arguing by gut and when was confronted with > reasonable arguments then just kept changing the topic. > Do you know how am I talking about? I personally felt really hard to > reply some of your mails in that thread without being rude. > So while I'm agree that switching DVCS requires careful planning and > implementation, but accusing people for being one sided for git when > many of them expressed that they personally favor hg(even the person > who wrote the rfc, and started the whole discussion) seems unjustified > for me. > Maybe they are trying to see not just their own preferences but the > php ecosystem as whole, and not trying to force their own ideals to > others? > I don't know, but maybe that could be a hint for you. All I will say is read Chapter 13 of the book ... My own development practices tick most of the boxes, but not all, and some of the points would be a useful start to an implementation plan. ( And git still does not run on a number of my customer sites because of local rules on some of the methods used by their installer! ) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php