# More formal feature request cycle - Thread: https://externals.io/message/49682 - Original archive: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/49682 - Started by james.butler@edigitalresearch.com on 2010-09-16T01:36:47+00:00 - Messages: 7 - Reply by email to internals@lists.php.net - More for agents: search with https://externals.io/search.md?q={query} · JSON API at https://externals.io/api · documentation at https://externals.io/llms.txt --- ## #49682 — james.butler@edigitalresearch.com — 2010-09-16T01:36:47+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/49682#49682 This thought is brought on mainly by watching the annotations drama that is currently occupying internals, does anyone else agree it might be a good idea to have a slightly more formal procedure for requesting features and then recording votes pros, cons, side effects, etc. against it. It might do a fair bit to stop anecdotal talk of how many people actually want a feature, and stop the list retreading the same arguments over and over again. Have no idea just yet what this would look like, but an thinking something between launchpad and the current php wiki. -- James Butler Sent from my iPhone --- ## #49685 — Alec — 2010-09-16T02:51:38+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/49682#49685 · In reply to: #49682 This could be good. A custom built site where people can vote for and against (and maybe neutral) something and then post their reasoning. Open discussion could still take place on internals, but a site that would provide a quick summary would be handy. So RFC wiki page + user registration tied to an email (preferably the one used on internals) + voting. We are all PHP people, whipping something up shouldn't be too hard :D . > This thought is brought on mainly by watching the annotations drama that is currently occupying internals, does anyone else agree it might be a good idea to have a slightly more formal procedure for requesting features and then recording votes pros, cons, side effects, etc. against it. It might do a fair bit to stop anecdotal talk of how many people actually want a feature, and stop the list retreading the same arguments over and over again. Have no idea just yet what this would look like, but an thinking something between launchpad and the current php wiki. > > -- > James Butler > Sent from my iPhone --- ## #49686 — John Coggeshall — 2010-09-16T03:10:09+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/49682#49686 · In reply to: #49685 Formality, in any of its forms, is about as far from PHP or this project as you could possibly get. John > This could be good. A custom built site where people can vote for and > against (and maybe neutral) something and then post their reasoning. > > Open discussion could still take place on internals, but a site that would > provide a quick summary would be handy. So RFC wiki page + user registration > tied to an email (preferably the one used on internals) + voting. > > We are all PHP people, whipping something up shouldn't be too hard :D . > > > > […] --- ## #49690 — Pierre Joye — 2010-09-16T08:06:54+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/49682#49690 · In reply to: #49686 > Formality, in any of its forms, is about as far from PHP or this > project as you could possibly get. Living in the past is never a good thing. -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org --- ## #49695 — Christian Kaps — 2010-09-16T08:33:51+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/49682#49695 On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 10:10:21 +0200, Frederic Hardy wrote: > Hello ! > > […] > > Best regards, > Fred. > > -- > ======================================================================== > Frédéric Hardy : Architecte d'application/Admin. système/Ergonome > Status : En recherche d'emploi > CV : http://blog.mageekbox.net/public/cv.frederic.hardy.pdf > Blog : http://blog.mageekbox.net > Twitter : http://twitter.com/mageekguy > ======================================================================== The same from me. +1 --- ## #49717 — Stas Malyshev — 2010-09-16T17:55:35+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/49682#49717 · In reply to: #49695 Hi! > > […] I agree that some rules about how we do this would be good. PHP now is big enough and complex enough and the community is diverse enough that we can engage in a discussion for months and the only result would be that everybody is so exhausted that they lose the understanding where we are, what we arrived at and nobody has any idea what's going on. And then people get frustrated and resort to cowboy comitting, etc. We do not need to have bureaucracy like Java, but some semi-formal process with results being recorded - as PEPs, for example - would do good, IMHO. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect SugarCRM: http://www.sugarcrm.com/ (408)454-6900 ext. 227 --- ## #49722 — Lester Caine — 2010-09-16T18:41:12+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/49682#49722 · In reply to: #49686 John Coggeshall wrote: > Formality, in any of its forms, is about as far from PHP or this > project as you could possibly get. SO we wait for features people have been anticipating for years ( unicode would be nice ;) ) while a few people push through their own agendas simply because there is no way of stopping them? SOME semblance of order would be nice .... and a road plan forward so we know what is going on? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php